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the war on the hijab shows the hypocrisy of the western world (pg. 4)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
So if someone or something other than the state is punishing them for not wearing it, then it's a "free choice" for them to wear it? |
if youre going to define "free" as something unregulated by the rule of law, then yes its a free choice. you cant legislate what happens within families over things like attire. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if youre going to define "free" as something unregulated by the rule of law, then yes its a free choice. you cant legislate what happens within families over things like attire. |
Well, by that definition of free, we should all be anarchists. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Well, by that definition of free, we should all be anarchists. |
thats why its a very loose definition to fit this particular context. to go any further things start to unravel obviously. but essentially im differentiating between "free" as an unfettered action under the eyes of the state, and "free" meaning true freedom to do as you will.
obviously the legal statutes do not really combat things such as family and religious pressure, which often exist on a sub-level of society. you obviously couldn't legislate that all women that wear a burqa must freely choose to do so. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
thats why its a very loose definition to fit this particular context. to go any further things start to unravel obviously. but essentially im differentiating between "free" as an unfettered action under the eyes of the state, and "free" meaning true freedom to do as you will.
obviously the legal statutes do not really combat things such as family and religious pressure, which often exist on a sub-level of society. you obviously couldn't legislate that all women that wear a burqa must freely choose to do so. |
Yes, that is true. However, I think we must remain mindful that there are individuals who are not "truly" free and who are wearing these types of attire because they are compelled to, even in western society. I don't support banning the burqa (nor any type of government regulation of attire), but I think it is important to recognize the plight of those who are oppressed even in "freedom." |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Yes, that is true. However, I think we must remain mindful that there are individuals who are not "truly" free and who are wearing these types of attire because they are compelled to, even in western society. I don't support banning the burqa (nor any type of government regulation of attire), but I think it is important to recognize the plight of those who are oppressed even in "freedom." |
agreed. |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Wow, I'm surprised by the conformist attitude displayed here. First of all, a hijab is not a burqa. Secondly, so ing what if it's a statement saying "I'm different"!!! Does law require us to conform to the same cultural norms too now? Yeah, you guys are very tolerant. :rolleyes:
+ 1 SpaceyOrange for pointing out this hypocrisy. |
Look I agree you should be allowed to wear whatever you like. But I recon that multiculterism is going to start hitting limits (not that I personally want to but it is going to).
The fact of the matter is a western women could not walk around in a bikini in the majority of muslim nations. Further a western women could not act as say a teacher wearing a bikini. Why not? Society says so. And right now weastern society says no to the Hijab.
End of the day if you choose to live in a country you have to live that countries norms and fit into its society. To be defined as a citizen of that nation infers a degree of comformance to the norms of the nation.
As I say I've no problems with it but in genral western society does. It's a very small amount of people who wear it but perhaps it shows a deeper issue relating to what seems to be the failure of true multiculturism? As oposed to homogonisation. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
The fact of the matter is a western women could not walk around in a bikini in the majority of muslim nations. |
yeah, but tudongs dont make a right :p |
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| Dervish |
| :p but it's just an example of being forced to conform.... like I want to wear a skirt but I can't......... unless I'm going to a wedding like on Saturday when I get to wear a kilt. Yuuuussss being Scottish is ace! :toothless |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
:p but it's just an example of being forced to conform.... like I want to wear a skirt but I can't......... unless I'm going to a wedding like on Saturday when I get to wear a kilt. Yuuuussss being Scottish is ace! :toothless |
I got married in a kilt; was awesome!
One day I'll get my family one done...(I didn't have time to get it made before the wedding or I would have done it then...) |
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| shaolin_Z |
:stongue: For a second there I thought you guys said 'klit' and I was like :conf: :p
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to be mroe specific, this is why I cracked up once I realized it was kilt and not klit :p
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I got married in a kilt; was awesome! |
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| Moongoose |
| So is it true what they say about people wearing kilts? No underwear, or is that just an urban legend? Imagine if it was a windy day and it blew your kilt up :eek: not really a great way to start your married life and not something the guests really wanted to see :D |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
obviously the legal statutes do not really combat things such as family and religious pressure, which often exist on a sub-level of society. you obviously couldn't legislate that all women that wear a burqa must freely choose to do so. |
Which is the point I tried too make here
When people where asking why feminism hasnt taken up the cause of muslim women.
And I'll ask the same question again-
If anyone got any kind of workable solution too non-invasively converting an entire culture to accept liberal values amongst the sexes I'd like too hear it.
Somehome I'm not likely too get an answer so I might go terrorise some people in the COR for a bit :happy2: |
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