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documentary on rave religion (pg. 2)
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| Clovis |
| Extacy's a helluva drug! :stongue: |
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| layal1 |
| maybe so...but i think a lot of what you get out of an experience depends on what you are looking for... |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by layal1
maybe so...but i think a lot of what you get out of an experience depends on what you are looking for... |
Exactly, which falsifies any kind of possibility of an overarching "religion" of rave culture. All you're talking about is the profound experience some people have while on ecstasy, not some sort of deep theological revelation.
Most "religious" or "spiritual" experiences people claim to have at raves or on e tend to prove very shallow. |
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| Clovis |
| Whats a matter RJT, havn't you ever prayed to the lasers and lights before? Confessed to a sub-woofer? :stongue: |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Whats a matter RJT, havn't you ever prayed to the lasers and lights before? Confessed to a sub-woofer? :stongue: |
I know a kid who claims to have seen gods face in the smoke at Privilege on Ibiza. Not as a joke either - He really believes it. :( |
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| layal1 |
Some quotes...
“Our society is currently in the midst of a cultural-spiritual crisis. The decline of American civil religion - those traditional religious observances that combine Christianity with patriotism and social altruism- and the failure of orthodox religious practices to provide genuine experiences of transcendence have created a climate of spiritual deprivation and an intensified search for transcendental answers. Today, it seems, popular demand is for experience rather than theology or dogma, and for the direct inner knowing of mystical states.” Frances Vaughn
"It was as if a group of people taking E together was empowered collectively. The sense of individualism and personal gain one strove for in the workaday reality suddenly seemed a hollow illusion, promoted by economics, marketing, and one’s own fear of exposure....dosing with E was deemed extremely beneficial to a group of several thousand strangers hoping to shift itself into the headspace and heart-space of collective awareness... Stripped of personal ambition and provoked to form emotional bonds, the revelers at a rave gathering were enabled to push their experiments in group dynamics beyond what their egos and inhibitions would have permitted otherwise. The E seemed to serve almost as a fuel. While some believed that the MDMA molecule had an almost conscious agenda of its own, more users tended to identify their new sensibility as coming directly from the heart, uncovered and activated at last by the drug’s catalytic power." |
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| layal1 |
| Are you a religious person? Do you believe in something beyond this physical reality? |
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| KilldaDJ |
| will u drop some pills and stay up for 3 days all cracked out during this documentary? |
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| |Thrax| |
| "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes." |
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| Spirit5 |
I was going to say something (I already wrote) that was quite long (though this isn't short either) on this but I know no one cares about what I say in my posts so i'll just say this.
Spirituality isn't some narrowly defined thing. I agree that there really isn't some deep religious thing with rave and rave culture or club culture for that matter. However spirituality is not the same as religious. You can be spiritual, without being religious. I consider myself spiritual but I don't consider myself very religious (though I do think i'm ethical but that's not just because of my religious beliefs). With raves, festivals and even clubs, there are some elements of both, but definitely more spirituality. There is the idea of people coming together, just as they do in religious ceremonies, and it revolves around music. There's also the idea of experience, and spirituality is about experience, religion is about communing with others, living ethically or morally or following through on the tenets of your religion.
Also people listen to music and often go to clubs, raves, festivals and take drugs, to escape reality, to break free from worldy constraints and the stressors of everyday life. This is quite similar to the ideas found in religion and spirituality, to face reality by escaping reality, hence why aboriginal peoples use plants to have these mystical experiences and has helped aid them in their cultures (check out "Supernatural" by Graham Hancock, awesome book). My goal is to create something perhaps in my late 30s or 40s, that will be a transpersonal or spiritual retreat center, that will host raves or festivals. One of my first posts on this board a little over a year ago was on this very idea.
Spirituality is not simply praying to God or Gods or more religious stuff. It's more of a feeling, an emotion brought on by profound or mystical experience, and there are many ways to have these experiences, not just through meditation and prayer. There's also a variety of experiences on can have, it's more of a personal thing. Seems like the more spirituality centered scene right now is the Psy Trance scene, you might want to investigate that. You might also want to read some stuff by Abraham Maslow, like his book "Religions, Values and Peak Experiences" or "The Farthest Reaches of Humnan Nature". So if you can change it perhaps to Rave spirituality, that would go over better. |
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| layal1 |
| well this would actually only be part of a short tv doc that focuses on drugs, music and spirituality - mushrooms, weed, e - to debate the idea whether drug-induced spirituality is real, profound or a shallow illusion or both or neither, etc...but i wouldnt mind focusing more on rave culture for a personal project... |
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