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Police kill woman, 92, in shootout (pg. 3)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by EXTREMUM
Yeah, I seriously doubt a 92 year-old woman had quick enough reflexes to cap off three officers, plus get taken out, all in five seconds time. Personally, I don't think anyone else at that age, would be able to pull this off, no matter how long the shootout lasted. |
Unless she had a shotgun and fired once, hitting all 3 men. |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
They were not in uniform either - they were plainclothed Narcotics officers with guns drawn - to a 92 year old woman, alone in a big city in what looks to be a rough neighbourhood (by the video |
Yep that suprised me too. I dunno about her neighborhood, but in bad neighborhoods in chicago, its known that gangbangers knock on doors & say they are the police for people to open them & then they get robbed. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
If you watch the video report, the Assistant Police Chief states that they broke down her door and then she opened fire.
They knew she was a 92 year-old woman, why would they come bust her door down at night while she was probably sleeping? They were not in uniform either - they were plainclothed Narcotics officers with guns drawn - to a 92 year old woman, alone in a big city in what looks to be a rough neighbourhood (by the video), there were 3 men in regular clothing with guns trying to bust down her door in the middle of the night. If they had found any drugs on the premesis, we would have heard about it, so I think it's pretty clear that she had a gun (had a permit for it and everything, says so in the video) and fired in what she thought to be self-defense.
As others have said, this could have been very easily avoided. Why are they breaking down people's doors with their pieces of paper saying it's ok for them to do so in the middle of the night, especially when they have been told by multiple sources that there is a lone, 92-year old woman inside the house who has nothing to do with drugs? |
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The officers had gone to the old woman's house with a search warrant after buying drugs there from a man known only as Sam, police said. (Watch what police and family say about the shooting -- 2:53 )
Police issued a "John Doe" warrant on Wednesday for the arrest of Sam, believed to be in his early to mid 30s, who allegedly sold the drugs to the undercover agent.
Dreher would not say how the dealer knew Johnston.
Investigators also said they found drugs in the home after Johnston was killed |
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also, 7pm isnt the "middle" of the night. |
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| Ygrene |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
As others have said, this could have been very easily avoided. Why are they breaking down people's doors with their pieces of paper saying it's ok for them to do so in the middle of the night, especially when they have been told by multiple sources that there is a lone, 92-year old woman inside the house who has nothing to do with drugs? |
Well, maybe that's exactly why the police officers went when they did? They knew she was the only one home and were not expecting to be confronted with gunfire. Opportune time for them to search the home for whatever they were looking for.
Of course I'm basing that on the idea that they did have reasonable cause to search initially and reasonable belief that armed drug dealers did frequent the home. |
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| tribu |
I would fire on anyone breaking my door down, regardless of if they were yelling they were cops.
Obviously I didnt say they should let her go, but this story is still fresh. Lets see some details before the wild speculation |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
I would fire on anyone breaking my door down, regardless of if they were yelling they were cops. |
I think I would too, especially if they weren't in uniform... at night (at least dark) |
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| Ygrene |
You guys are hardcore.
Either way you're prolly gonna end up dead. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt?
Here are the scenarios with 3 armed men at your door:
1. They are cops, you let them in, everythings fine
2. They are cops, you don't let them in, they break in you shoot, you prolly die - if you don't die, have fun in jail
3. They aren't cops, you let them in, they rob you, maybe you die, maybe you don't
4. They aren't cops, you don't let them in, they break in you shoot, you prolly die
Seems to me your best bet is just to cooperate because in almost any other scenario, you're gonna die. |
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| Sunsnail |
| yea but every time people have knocked down my door they weren't cops. |
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| Ygrene |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
yea but every time people have knocked down my door they weren't cops. |
You're still alive. |
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| Sunsnail |
| they took my plants. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
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Your article > mine.
| quote: | | also, 7pm isnt the "middle" of the night. |
It is when you are 92. :stongue:
The sun is down here in the southern US at 7pm though - it's night-time. To a myopic, likely near-deaf 92 year-old, a group of men yelling "PAH-LEESE!" outside of her door probably has little bearing on her legal sensibilities, especially if she has nothing to hide. Drugs were found in her house though - that is a new element to this. I wonder though (they haven't even been determind illegal yet and the word "alleged" is so very, very interesting), were there vats of meth in her basement? Maybe a few tonnes of cocaine in her garage? The police do love their raids so very, very much - I bet it pleases them to see them credited in those "police raid seizes 46 tonnes of marijuana on Tuesday night" busts. My point is - the policemen were likely following every law, every guideline to make a narcotics raid, but that still does not make this right. It's too bad that justice and the law so very rarely correlate with one another, and that unfortunate casualties are a product of war...so what do we call this? |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ygrene
You guys are hardcore.
Either way you're prolly gonna end up dead. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt?
Here are the scenarios with 3 armed men at your door:
1. They are cops, you let them in, everythings fine
2. They are cops, you don't let them in, they break in you shoot, you prolly die - if you don't die, have fun in jail
3. They aren't cops, you let them in, they rob you, maybe you die, maybe you don't
4. They aren't cops, you don't let them in, they break in you shoot, you prolly die
Seems to me your best bet is just to cooperate because in almost any other scenario, you're gonna die. |
Ive had the cops come to my door and knock before. You can communicate through the door, get a badge number, and call the station to confirm that they are cops.
However, lets say Im upstairs and hear nothing until my door is smashed in, heavy footsteps follow, and voices yelling police. Am I going to just wander to see whats going on or am I going to grab a firearm in case I need to defend myself?
I choose the latter while i evaluate the situation further. If Im doing nothing illegal, I dont expect the cops to come breaking in. |
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