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An Inconvenient Truth. (pg. 2)
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by jcluvsu
watch the movie and take it in because it concerns all of us, politics aside, you will discover that this man would have been a better president than the that was elected. |
al gore did more good as a congressman, senator and vp than bush did as a governor and two-term president. gore's legacy is the internet and a commitment to science, education and the environment. bush's legacy is dividing america, creating civil war in iraq and worldwide anti-americanism |
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| dJohn |
| quote: | | A single volcanic eruption like Mt. St Helen spews out more greenhouse gases than the SUM TOTAL of every action of manking ever. Basically, anything we do is a drop in the bucket compared to natural processes anyway. I ing hate pseudoscience like this because it's so misleading. |
The reason why it's misleading is because most of the time, environmental concerns like this are 3rd hand and spun. When is the last time you talked to a university professor, or a scientist, or some credential-based authority about this subject? Correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what you said it seems like your using whatever miniscule amount of information that you actually know to overarch your generalizations.
Greenhouse gases don't only consist of carbon and sulfur based compounds, but nitrogen based compounds, cholorflourines, and many more that anthropogenic activity is largely responsible for.
Take this statistic for example. As of 2005, the U.S is the single largest emitter of carbon pollutants in the world. 4% of the world's population is accountable for 90% of GHGs in the atmosphere. China comes in at a close second, only to be projected to surpass the U.S in terms of total carbon output(measured in billion tonnes) by 2025. Coincedence? If you associate an average of 9-10% growth in net GDP per year over the last 8 years, coupled with the world's largest population and they are STILL considered a developing country/economy(non-Annex I state in Kyoto Protocol terms), what does that say about human activity and it's contribution to this "misleading" concenption?
Sure, don't get me wrong. Volcanoes do spew out huge amounts of pollutants that account for a large portion of GHGs, but deforestation and industrial activity, with worldwide dependence on oil(and economies being built upon oil, have little or no incentive to waste money researching for "cleaner" fuel, since no other alternative provides that much energy per drop of oil anyways) ARE the principle causes of global climate change and warming over the last 150 years. And I don't see it slowing down anytime soon, as more and more economies become integrated into the global market, thus requiring industrial flexibility.
And it's not pseudoscience, for god sake. Look at what's actually happening. Do your research, and you'll find that the evidence is actually indisputable. |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
gore's legacy is the internet and a commitment to science, education and the environment. |
Sorry but Al Gore had nothing to do with the idea, invention, development, coding, programming or anything concerning the advent of the internet in any way, shape or form.
The idea for a "World Wide Web" was coined by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989 at the CERN labratories. Al Gore has never claimed to ever have created the internet but on March 9, 1999 during CNN's "Late Edition" show Gore said "I took the initiative in creating the Internet.", which is a complete and total lie. The only thing Al Gore ever did was promote the internet.
Here is a sliver of the story of the internet taken directly from CERN's website.
| quote: | Taken from CERN
The first proposal for the WWW was made at CERN by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989, and further refined by him and Robert Cailliau in 1990.
By the end of that year, prototype software for a basic system was already being demonstrated. To encourage its adoption, an interface to the CERN Computer Centre's documentation, to the "help service" and also to the familiar Usenet newsgroups was provided.
The first web servers were all located in European physics laboratories and only a few users had access to the NeXT platform on which the first browser ran. CERN soon provided a much simpler browser, which could be run on any system.
In 1991, an early www system was released to the high energy physics community via the CERN program library. It included the simple browser, web server softwares and a library, implementing the essential functions for developers to build their own software. A whole range of universities and research laboratories started to use it. A little later it was made generally available via the Internet, especially to the community of people working on hypertext systems.
The first web server in the United States came on-line in December 1991, once again in a pure research institute: the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (SLAC) in California.
At this stage, there were essentially only two kinds of browser. One was the original development version, very sophisticated but only available on the NeXT machines. The other was the "line-mode" browser, which was easy to install and run on any platform but limited in power and user-friendliness. It was clear that the small team at CERN could not do all the work needed to develop the system further, so Tim Berners-Lee launched a plea via the Internet for other developers to join in.
Several individuals wrote browsers, mostly for the X-window system. The most notable from this era are MIDAS by Tony Johnson from SLAC, Viola by Pei Wei from O'Reilly, Erwise by the Finns from the Helsinki University of Technology.
Early in 1993, the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) at the University of Illinois released a first version of their Mosaic browser. This software ran in the X Window System environment, popular in the research community, and offered friendly window-based interaction. Shortly afterwards NCSA released versions also for the PC and Macintosh environments. The existence of reliable user-friendly browsers on these popular computers had an immediate impact on the spread of WWW. The European Commission approved its first Web project (WISE) at the end of the same year, with CERN as one of the partners. By late 1993 there were over 500 known web servers, and WWW accounted for 1% of Internet traffic, which seemed a lot in those days! (The rest was remote access, e-mail and file transfer.)
1994 really was the "Year of the Web". The world's First International World-Wide Web conference was held at CERN in May. It was attended by 400 users and developers, and was hailed as the "Woodstock of the Web". As 1994 progressed, Web stories got into all the media. A second conference, attended by 1300 people, was held in the US in October, organised by NCSA and the already created International WWW Conference Committee (IW3C2).
By the end of 1994, the Web had 10,000 servers, of which 2,000 were commercial, and 10 million users. Traffic was equivalent to shipping the entire collected works of Shakespeare every second. The technology was continually extended to cater for new needs. Security and tools for e-commerce were the most important features soon to be added.
In such contest, an essential point was that the Web should remain an open standard for all to use and for no-one to lock up into a proprietary system.
In this spirit, CERN submitted a proposal to the Commission of the European Union under the ESPRIT programme: "WebCore". The goal of the project was an International Consortium, in collaboration with the US Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). Tim Berners-Lee officially left CERN at the end of 1994 to work on the Consortium from the MIT base. But with approval of the LHC project clearly in sight, it was decided that further Web development was an activity beyond the Laboratory's primary mission. A new home for basic Web work was needed.
The European Commission turned to the French National Institute for Research in Computer Science and Controls (INRIA), to take over the role of CERN.
In January 1995, the International World-Wide Web Consortium (W3C) was founded "to lead the World Wide Web to its full potential by developing common protocols that promote its evolution and ensure its interoperability".
W3C, run jointly by MIT/LCS in the United States, INRIA in France, and Keio University in Japan, in 2002 had more than 500 Member organizations from around the world.
In 1995 Tim and Robert shared the Association for Computing (ACM) Software System Award for developing the World-Wide Web with M.Andreesen and E.Bina of NCSA
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Read the rest HERE
I am not trying to bash Al Gore, I am not a Republican and I am not trying to push any political dissent. I just want everyone to know where the Internet really came from and give credit to all the brilliant minds at CERN. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by progressiveMOJO
considering that Kerry's political influence is now absolutely gone, no, it doesn't really concern me. His days of influencing policy are long gone.
ALSO
A single volcanic eruption like Mt. St Helen spews out more greenhouse gases than the SUM TOTAL of every action of manking ever. Basically, anything we do is a drop in the bucket compared to natural processes anyway. I ing hate pseudoscience like this because it's so misleading. |
We'll talk again when Florida is underwater. |
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electrophile
Sorry but Al Gore had nothing to do with the idea, invention, development, coding, programming or anything concerning the advent of the internet in any way, shape or form.
The idea for a "World Wide Web" was coined by Tim Berners-Lee in 1989 at the CERN labratories. Al Gore has never claimed to ever have created the internet but on March 9, 1999 during CNN's "Late Edition" show Gore said "I took the initiative in creating the Internet.", which is a complete and total lie. The only thing Al Gore ever did was promote the internet.
Here is a sliver of the story of the internet taken directly from CERN's website.
Read the rest HERE
I am not trying to bash Al Gore, I am not a Republican and I am not trying to push any political dissent. I just want everyone to know where the Internet really came from and give credit to all the brilliant minds at CERN. |
here's a website with a more accurate chronology of gore's political efforts to bring awareness to and build support to federally fund the beginning of the internet...
http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
some of his proposed bills, such as the dat tape copy protection bill predicted the whole napster debacle years in advance. al gore never said he "created" the internet like media hawks like to joke about all the time. his wording accurately describes the initiative he took in being the sole champion in congress, the senate and the white house to approve the development of a military-university data network and he spent a lot of his own time educating himself on packet encryption and transfer protocols directly from the creators of the internet when they were still ideas being thrown around |
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| lex400sc |
i'd like someone to read this wiki profile on gore and tell me exactly what about the guy is "evil"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore
as opposed to say... newt gingrich, tom delay, jack abramoff, mark foley, dick cheney, etc, etc, etc... |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
here's a website with a more accurate chronology of gore's political efforts to bring awareness to and build support to federally fund the beginning of the internet... |
This is an accurate statement I agree with. |
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| jcluvsu |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
al gore is evil? come on, have we run out of ad hominem attacks for everything non-republican already? :haha: |
Amen to that! This is not a documentary about politicians. Its an ex-vice president using his influence to do something most have not been able to achieve and that friends is awareness for such an important issue. Now, you can be the middle American (ignorant backwoods idiot) about this and just call it propaganda, but if you look at the facts in this documentary political views are irrelevent. |
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| Jeffree |
Just watched this movie last night. Simply amazing. It should be required viewing for the planet. Regardless of what you think of Al Gore, facts are facts. I've yet to meet someone who has actually watched the film and disagreed with it.
Everyone I've ever met who has something bad to say about it has never watched it.
Unfortunately, all those I know who hate Al Gore refuse to watch it.
nUbs. |
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| Clovis |
The people who claim this to be farce will remain with their heads firmly in the sand untill Florida is underwater and the effects of climate change have become disatrous.
Whether or not you think it is caused by man, climate change IS happeneing and we MUST do something.
I dunno about you guys but eventually I might like to have kids grow up breathing at least as well as I have. |
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| lex400sc |
people who deny global warming is being made worse by humans need to go read a book. people who deny global warming completely are just dumbasses.
global warming is a natural process that's been occurring since the end of the last ice age, but it's been a very slow, gradual one. data shows that since mankind's industrial age, we've been warming the planet at an increasingly faster rate. the sheer tonnage of green house gases we're pumping into the atmosphere grows every year and is accelerating the warming effect on the biosphere at a faster rate than it can keep up with. why should you care? well there have been about 5 major mass extinctions on this planet and every single one of them was caused by a dramatic climate change. edward o wilson, a famous harvard biologist, predicts at this rate in 100 years over HALF of the world's species will be extinct.
we might only be contributing a very small amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, but in doing so we are pushing the system over its threshold. our greenhouse gases are building up in the atmosphere, which is causing a further temp rise, which causes further greenhouse gases to be released, which causes a feedback. think of a plugged sink with the tap running on. the sink will fill up to the drain hole at the top which keeps it from overflowing. now imagine someone comes over to the sink with a garden hose and starts pouring more water in until the sink overflows. who caused the overflow? the tap that filled the sink 90% of the way or the hose that added more water into the sink than the drain could relieve? |
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| djjoshuaallen |
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