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"Sidechaining" Tip (pg. 2)
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| Eric J |
| Agreed, KK. Although it presents the opportunity to develop your own tricks. :) |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
Sidechaining is far from a unique technique though.
I have never really had an interest in learning how to do it so far either, though I see poottential for it to be handy in a lot of areas.
Because I've never wanted the probspot sorta bassline, I've never bothered to really look into that much, always read up on stuff that was relevant at the time, such as mastering or synth programming, etc.
This quick tip means I'll be delving into some of its possibilities very soon.
It's good to share knowledge and I do understand aboutt he whole secrets thing, sure.
But as some one said on here once, if you can come up with one good idea, chances are you're gonna come up with more too, so keeping knowledge to yourself isn't very nice, also bad karma!
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| david.michael |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Sidechaining is far from a unique technique though.
I have never really had an interest in learning how to do it so far either, though I see poottential for it to be handy in a lot of areas.
Because I've never wanted the probspot sorta bassline, I've never bothered to really look into that much, always read up on stuff that was relevant at the time, such as mastering or synth programming, etc.
This quick tip means I'll be delving into some of its possibilities very soon. |
It has other uses too. You don't just have to use it for a bassline. Take a track that is in the 120-130 range. Try making a light pad with a bit of white noise up top, and then "sidechaining" it to the kick. It gives your track a pulse; makes it feel like it is moving or "throbbing". I know it sounds cliche, but I still kinda like this effect as long as it is subtle and not in-your-face (Boom-wwhhoOOOSH! Boom-wwhhoOOOSH!) I came up with this while working on my current track in progress. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| umm ducking is used throughout the production process... i've used it on snares, claps, tail ends of whitenoise... it's the best way to make things stand out |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by david.michael
It has other uses too. You don't just have to use it for a bassline. Take a track that is in the 120-130 range. Try making a light pad with a bit of white noise up top, and then "sidechaining" it to the kick. It gives your track a pulse; makes it feel like it is moving or "throbbing". I know it sounds cliche, but I still kinda like this effect as long as it is subtle and not in-your-face (Boom-wwhhoOOOSH! Boom-wwhhoOOOSH!) I came up with this while working on my current track in progress. |
Dude I know, which is why i said "I see pottential for it to be handy in a lot of other areas..."
Though I would like to prodominantly use it for string/pads and possibly even vocals.
Basslines possibly, but I aint a fanof that sorta bass usually.
Still it's better than that JOC and Discover Records calls a bass.
HATE that offbeat crappy bassline so bad.
I'd prolly use the side chain to tighten up bassnotes falling on the kick, currently I just reduce the velocity of that particular note, but side chaining could be cool too. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
I'd prolly use the side chain to tighten up bassnotes falling on the kick, currently I just reduce the velocity of that particular note, but side chaining could be cool too. |
yeah but it will still mudden that frequency range... it's the hold & release that you want to "tighten" up. not going to hurt you to try! |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| Forgive me for this dip question, but why therefore is there any point to having a bassnote on the kick? |
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| RickyM |
| It makes the sound pulse if you have a bass pad that starts on every kick...try it and you'll see the difference ;) |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
Yeah I realise this, but side chaining a none probspot sorta bass, you might as well not obther having a note on the bass drum and then leave the other notes intact.
K---K---K---K---
B-bB--bBB-bB--bB
instead:
K---K---K---K---
--bB--bB--bB--bB |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
Which leads me to ask why bother side chaining, just reduce the velocity?
I am prolly getting confused and not understanding the technique fullyu, but to me it seems a complex way of a doing a simple thing. |
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| RickyM |
ok here's a couple of samples
with the ducking/sidechain:
with
without:
without
Hope that helps ;) |
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| farris |
You can reduce velocity or just do volume automations. Hell, you can even use an autopanner (Ableton) to get a similar sidechain-effect.
Don't forget though that if you have some complex thing going on and you want to sidechain something to it, you'll need to change velocity on every part which'll be a tedious job. But the possibilities don't end with just a kick and bassline. How about sidechaining the reverb on a send with the vocal you're sending to it. Should give some interesting results. Just, see what you can come up with.
- farris |
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