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"Sidechaining" Tip (pg. 3)
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| Allied Nations |
I'm a big fan of ducking vs sidechaning if you make it work, some tracks just dont duck as well, i dont know it is-
Different tracks require different measures, best to be fluent in both. |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by farris
But the possibilities don't end with just a kick and bassline. How about sidechaining the reverb on a send with the vocal you're sending to it. Should give some interesting results. Just, see what you can come up with.
- farris |
possibilities don't end with that, you're right...
but I think your idea vocal and reverb sidechaining is just the same as predelay...if you set it well you have dry (or almost dry) vocal and than the tail of the reverb...that's what the sidechain would do...I think
when the vocal is playing the reverb would be ducking...and once the vocal is over, the tail would start playing again...
if you set your reverb well you will not need this...
I'm not sure though!
(it might even be that I don't understand the predelay that well) :D |
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| Allied Nations |
| Anyone have a link to that Ableton Sidechain tutorial? |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BOOsTER
possibilities don't end with that, you're right...
but I think your idea vocal and reverb sidechaining is just the same as predelay...if you set it well you have dry (or almost dry) vocal and than the tail of the reverb...that's what the sidechain would do...I think
when the vocal is playing the reverb would be ducking...and once the vocal is over, the tail would start playing again...
if you set your reverb well you will not need this...
I'm not sure though!
(it might even be that I don't understand the predelay that well) :D |
haha, this is why i love OhmBoyz sOOO much. their predelay function is orgasmic.
@AlliedNations - if i can figure out how to get Wink to record my audio, i'll happily make a quick tutorial |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
haha, this is why i love OhmBoyz sOOO much. their predelay function is orgasmic.
@AlliedNations - if i can figure out how to get Wink to record my audio, i'll happily make a quick tutorial |
Would be brilliant! |
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| ONION |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
I do that for gain ducking. That trick has been around for a long time. It's all that FL Studio users can do. |
Um no it isnt... you can do genuine sidechain compression using waves c1 in FLstudio 6 ;)
On the mixer have -
4 channels for the Kick
=> Kick
=> Kick Left
=> Kick Right
=> Kick Out
Route the Kick channel to kick left kick right and kick out and mute the 'master out' on all of them except kick out
On Kick left and Kick right insert a fruity mute plugin and select the appropriate settings so you only hear the kick on the left channel for kick left.... and the right for kick right.
3 Channels for the Bass
=> Bass ---routed to Bass Left and Bass Right
=> Bass Left
=> Bass Right
Again insert the fruity mute on Bass Left and Bass Right and select the appropriate settings for each. Make sure again that the master out on all of them is switched off
Sidechain Channels
=>SC-Left
=>SC-Right
Kick Left gets routed to SC-Left
Kick Right gets routed to SC-Right
Bass Left gets routed to SC-RIGHT ( yes the opposite )
Bass Right gets routed to SC-LEFT ( yes the opposite )
Insert Waves C1-sc on BOTH sidechain channels and where it says KEYMODE select these setttings
SC-Left ===> L -> R
SC-Right ===> R -> L
The SC channels MUST have Master Out switched ON. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ONION
Um no it isnt... you can do genuine sidechain compression using waves c1 in FLstudio 6 ;)
On the mixer have -
4 channels for the Kick
=> Kick
=> Kick Left
=> Kick Right
=> Kick Out
Route the Kick channel to kick left kick right and kick out and mute the 'master out' on all of them except kick out
On Kick left and Kick right insert a fruity mute plugin and select the appropriate settings so you only hear the kick on the left channel for kick left.... and the right for kick right.
3 Channels for the Bass
=> Bass ---routed to Bass Left and Bass Right
=> Bass Left
=> Bass Right
Again insert the fruity mute on Bass Left and Bass Right and select the appropriate settings for each. Make sure again that the master out on all of them is switched off
Sidechain Channels
=>SC-Left
=>SC-Right
Kick Left gets routed to SC-Left
Kick Right gets routed to SC-Right
Bass Left gets routed to SC-RIGHT ( yes the opposite )
Bass Right gets routed to SC-LEFT ( yes the opposite )
Insert Waves C1-sc on BOTH sidechain channels and where it says KEYMODE select these setttings
SC-Left ===> L -> R
SC-Right ===> R -> L
The SC channels MUST have Master Out switched ON. |
wow thats how you have to do stereo sidechaining? holy crap. i think i do 3 clicks in ableton. |
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| farris |
| quote: | Originally posted by BOOsTER
possibilities don't end with that, you're right...
but I think your idea vocal and reverb sidechaining is just the same as predelay...if you set it well you have dry (or almost dry) vocal and than the tail of the reverb...that's what the sidechain would do...I think
when the vocal is playing the reverb would be ducking...and once the vocal is over, the tail would start playing again...
if you set your reverb well you will not need this...
I'm not sure though!
(it might even be that I don't understand the predelay that well) :D |
Predelay defines how far the listener and the sound source are apart.
This means that if the direct sound and the listener are close to eachother, the difference between the direct sound and the early reflections will be bigger (the time for them to arrive at the place of the listener) than when the source and the listener are further apart.
I don't think you'll get the same result from both methods (correct me if I'm wrong though, with samples! ;)).
Let's say the vocal is a sentence of a couple of words. With predelay the reverb will kick in (the defined amount of predelay) after the first word and possibly overlap with the second. So you'll get a mix of reverb for the first word and the normal second word together.
Now if you would sidechain the reverb with the vocal, it would constantly duck the reverb with each word spoken. So the second word would in fact duck the tail of the first word. Hence different results. And because the reverb is ducking doesn't mean it's not there or not noticeable. Don't duck it all out that it becomes inaudible/dry though.
- farris |
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| BOOsTER |
ah ok, sorry then :-)
well...I think I'll just give it a try one day... :) |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
wow thats how you have to do stereo sidechaining? holy crap. i think i do 3 clicks in ableton. |
What method are you using? Any plugins?
Just been trying to sort a sidechain on there that I like- getting ideas :) |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
What method are you using? Any plugins?
Just been trying to sort a sidechain on there that I like- getting ideas :) |
I myself use the now discontinued TC bundle...there is a plugin "sidechainer" you put on your sidechain and compressor where you select the key signal...that's all |
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| BOOsTER |
| Greg...delete your pms please ;) |
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