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"Say what you will, but it goes off HUGE in a club!" (pg. 5)
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| Dojomaster26 |
I really can't see myself playing a tune just because it "sounds good" on a large system. I have to like the song myself before I'll have the enthusiasum to play the song out. I believe that one's selection on tunes should happen from the headphones to the large system. I'd rather hear a tune that I like on my headphones and think, "I'd really like to share this with an audience." and then play the song on the big system, than buying a mediocre song just because "it sounds good in the club."
There are a couple of recent tracks on Defected that come to mind when thinking of this. Ame's "Rej" and Pastaboys "Limit" have both been big tunes this year, but I can't get into them at all (WAY too minimal for my tastes). I could buy these tracks and get a good reaction to them live, but I wouldn't want to play them since I didn't like them, and therefore would give higher priority to tracks that I liked, which would push those tunes to the back of my box. Eventually I'd take those tracks out of rotation altogether, thinking "why did I waste $X on this track that I don't even like?" |
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| trancepunkk |
| a good track doesnt need to be played in a club to sound good. if it does it musnt be that great now.... |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
This is an argument that seems to pop up approximately 90% of the time there is any dispute over a tunes "massiveness," and IMO, it's an utter crock and cop out.
Case in point, this Gabriel Ananda nonsense with "Dopplewhipper." It's clear a few people have gone out to a club and "heard it at the right time," and use that as their justification for why anyone should like a tune. That' fine, but you have to understand it's your subjective experience that has brought the piece into favor with you, not the artistic merit of the piece itself. Claiming "you just need to hear it in a club" assumes that every condition met when the person making said claim will be true for the listener they're trying to sway - This is almost never going to be the case.
Simply put, just because Sasha, Lawler, Ferry, Armin, Holden, Vath, Hawtin, etc. played "Aftermath" at 3:33 AM on Ibiza while you were gurnin' your off and you thought it was "SOOOOOO PERFECT!" does not make "Aftermath" a good track. Stop claiming that it does. |
lol when did anyone claim any of those tracks were amazing? Like I said in the dopplewhipper thread...the track is nothing special, but it works in the club.
As has been stated in this thread, some tracks sound good out, and dont sound as special when you hear them at home, or even after you've heard them a few times. Yeah they aren't amazing, thats not the point. The point is, when used right, they work.
Theres a clear difference imo, of me saying "omg yer a n00b, everybody is going nuts to this at teh club, its absolutely massive, you dont know " and "okay tune, works in the club when dropped right"
| quote: | | What many of you seem to fail to realize is that music is a subjective experience, and while one's opinion on a specific piece may change over time, simply "hearing it out in a club" is hardly likely to make one feel a tune that is lackluster is anything more. |
Well, I hated Aftermath untill Sasha played it at 4:30am at ICE in Vegas. Dont ask me why I liked it more then, as you say, subjective experience. But just because for you the track isnt much better at the club, it doesnt discount the experience of all those who went nuts when the build dropped. |
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| Allied Nations |
+1 clovis
hated aftermath til i heard it afterhours in Bombay- sasha rox :) |
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| Cobalt |
That's funny, I liked Aftermath from the first listen, and selected it as my top track of 2005, but still haven't managed to hear it live.
I admit that playing it loud over my studio monitors went a long way in evaluation. :p |
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| Cobalt |
As to the original topic, there's no simple rule. Some tracks sound great at home but marginal in a club. For others it's the opposite.
The best tracks, like Nik said, work everywhere, but not everything sounds better live. This is particularly true of tracks with great high-end but poor stereo profile and bass; they sound paper-thin over a big system. Another example would be tracks with too heavy and simple a low-end, and no interesting mids; it sounds like a flat wall of sound when amplified.
There's definitely truth to the notion that some tracks work better on big systems, though I think it's sometimes abused for the sake of confirmation bias. |
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| DJ Shibby |
Yes, music is subjective experience.
And that experience can be changed due to being out because of the atmosphere, speaker system, songs before/after it, alcohol, et cetera
So yeah... quit whining, it's not our fault you're too uncool to be seen out at the clubs. :haha: |
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| distant |
| Aftermath sucks. I'd rather hear some proper acidcore in a club. |
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| Az |
| i think a few of you should actually go clubbing a bit more |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Another thing some people on this forum should appreciate is that not everyone lives in a big city with a host of major clubs to choose from. A lot of average clubs have systems that are badly EQ'd. A lot of stuff I hear when I'm out sounds ing awful in a club, because you can hardly hear the treble at all and the bottom end is turned up too far, drowning everything out.
So really, hearing something in a club is subjective even beyond how hammered you are/how much fun you're having/how good the set has been, simply because not all clubs have systems as good as Fabric. |
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| Aristronica |
| i liked Aftermath... after i edited about 5 mins of it |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aristronica
i liked Aftermath... after i edited about 5 mins of it |
what on earth would be the point in it once you'd done that? |
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