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HD-DVD vs Blu Ray: Which one is the best? (pg. 2)
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
i can't watch any sports that is not in HD...I simply can't, my attention is blurred by the picture even if its an important/critical game. |
The fact that you've managed to convince yourself that this is a good thing which supports the value of HD does more to demonstrate how naive today's consumers are than anything I could have possibly said.
I mean you have to realize that if HD never existed, you'd be able to watch sports without it just fine, and enjoy them just as much as you do now with HD. It's purely an obsessive psychological reaction where you are looking for details for the sake of making sure you can see them (rather than for the sake of those details actually contributing to your enjoyment of the media) - and then if they are not present, it distracts you because you begin to obsess about the idea that you are somehow "missing out" on the details/beauty that would otherwise be there (in reality, if you were actually paying attention to what was going on in the game the whole time, you would have missed out on all those details anyway, even if it was in HD). |
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| RJT |
| Gotta agree with Arbiter on this one, 100%. |
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| kid nyce |
i dont think analyzing individuals psycho-analysis and perception is what i was targeting the intentions of my post but i understand what you are saying. Granted my statement may have had a bit of sarcasm behind it to 'generalize' most non hd channels (not only sports) doesn't mean that i've trained my eye to obsess over details, fact is it's much more pleasant to my eye. That I believe to be a preference I'm allowed to choose which allows me to justify my purchase of my tv, my monthly cable bill i pay, and whether or not I want to buy a blu-ray or hd-dvd player.
I mean if you want to apply the aboved analysis to any/all technological advances, then i guess we'd all be still listening to cassette tapes, yea, we wouldn't obsess over the filtering of noise or the quality of digial audio right? If there is no room for preference, no room to praise a better technology then why even make those advances in the first place?
I'm not disagreeing with what you say arbiter, but i don't support such an analysis to justify a persons preference. Granted some might enjoy normal definition tv over high-definition and that's completely fine for them.
So yes I stated i can't watch any sports that is not in HD, fact is it's unpleasant to me where my preference would be to view it in HD. |
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| RJT |
I don't think the point is whether or not we should pursue new technologies, but whether or not we as gamers should really jump head first into new technologies rather than focus on gameplay and content.
This thread/discussion belongs in the technology forum, and not here, if anyone wants to seriously discuss the benefits/disadvantages of HD technology.
This is a gaming forum - And at the end of the day, the increased focus on new technology may very well be the thing that is hindering true innovation in the scene, and leading to more and more franchise rehashes and less and less creativity.
Content > Technology |
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| Arbiter |
Yeah, I don't think that the technologies are not worth pursuing. If nothing else the new disc standards offer greatly improved data storage, which is definitely a functional improvement (and an improvement that's a lot more pronounced, I think, than the difference in image quality for games/movies).
But when it comes to video and audio quality, you begin to reach a point of diminishing returns when it comes to how much of the actual improvement is really going to be noticed. I mean obviously we're still well with in the realm of things being noticeable but I think it takes somewhat of a trained eye to catch the difference without specifically looking for it already and it's not getting any easier.
I guess I just don't see it necessarily as a matter of preference so much as two totally different ways of interacting with media. I don't prefer HD-DVD, or blu-ray, or VHS, or DivX - to me, the format doesn't matter as long as it's sufficient to show what is relevant to the content being presented. I mean being able to see the pores on somebody's face doesn't affect my ability to understand and enjoy the plot of a movie, and the amount of detail in a game's textures doesn't make the gameplay any more or less enjoyable as long as you can tell what it is that you're supposed to be seeing.
When I buy a game, or a movie, I'm buying it for the meaningful content... not the ability of the game designers to render individual needles on a pine tree or to see background visual details that have no relevance to anything that's going on. |
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| DarkAngel |
| To this day I honestly don't know the difference between either format (and there's too much to read in this thread and I'm feeling lazy now hahaha), so I cannot (let alone will not) take a side or flame one or the other. What I will say is, I'm sure each has its own pros and cons. That is all. |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by DarkAngel
To this day I honestly don't know the difference between either format (and there's too much to read in this thread and I'm feeling lazy now hahaha), so I cannot (let alone will not) take a side or flame one or the other. What I will say is, I'm sure each has its own pros and cons. That is all. |
lazy ass :o |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
When I buy a game, or a movie, I'm buying it for the meaningful content... not the ability of the game designers to render individual needles on a pine tree or to see background visual details that have no relevance to anything that's going on. |
There's a chance that is the single best paragraph ever posted in this forum.
Spot on. |
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| basvh |
At this moment I don't really see the benefit of HD, HD-DVD and BluRay keeping the cost in mind. I feel that the companies are pushing this format because pirating DVD.
I know that in the USA it is a different story with more HD content available but here in holland there isn't a single network broadcasting in HD. There are some digital channels, which you ofcourse have to pay for, but they are not fully HD and again not a lot of content is shot in HD. Futhermore I never saw any HD-DVD or Blue Ray movies in the shop.
And look at the price:
- HD television
- HD-DVD, Blue Ray, PS3 Player
- HDMI Cables
- Digital antenna + subscribtion
When you want a good HD television + the rest you will be spending around 5000 Euro minimum but probaly 6000 to 7000 Euro or even higher. For what??? For a bit higher resolution? I think it's totally not worth the investment. Also I don't think people are ready to say their DVD players goodbye. |
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| DeRangedMind |
The main problem is that Sony is trying to be very different this time around with the release of the Blu-Ruy technology which imo is ahead if its time right now. I work at Best Buy (love or hate it) but the fact is people are not rushing out to buy the new Blu-Ruy product a)there very expensive b) people are not just getting into the whole HD thing and now sumthing new and costly c)first generation players have too many bugs. Mabie in late 2007 it would have been a better move for Sony.
Also Sonys Blu-Ray computer and player have been had very bad sales 759 for an internal blu-ray burner WOW
For HD has the adavantage and they have also the Porn industry which is billion dollor industry has just signed with HD so this year will it will be war between the gaming consoles, movies and players |
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| weymouth |
I like my DVD collection and I do not have money for HD stuff. I'm thinking the overwhelming majority of people don't have the money either.
I'm just waiting for an online company to compete with satellite/cable providers by providing streaming movies and shows over fiber optic lines. Right now the industry drives what we believe we want and so we have technology upgrades that are too expensive and not worth it. As soon as a company gives the power to the consumer, home entertainment will have its next big revolution. We're seeing bits of it already with streaming shows on abc/nbc/cbs that you can watch whenever you want, ITunes allowing television passes that instantly download the episode after it airs, and AT&T service offering downloadable movies to your tv set. Once all of these things are intergrated through your television/home media player and it's as easy as clicking a few buttons to watch whatever you want whenever you want people will upgrade to that from the current way things are done.
The only problem I see is that consumers will want something tangible as a way to "show off" their collection. The best thing that comes to mind is that with movies you purchase you get the "sceensaver" that comes with that movie. I think it would be pretty cool to have your tv with screensavers that show your movie collection and scenes from your movies that you own. With that a nifty looking organized screen to show all your movies to guests.
I dunno...I'm just going off on a tangent but I do not think that High Definition DVDs are going to be the next mass entertainment to replace normal DVDs and televisions. |
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| djverne |
| Consider the fact that higher resolution content requires more space for storage, regular DVD (Even dual layer) is just not up to par anymore when it comes to storing high resolution video and audio. For those of you who say you don't care the difference is night and day. Remember ", "mono", black and white TV,? The price of full high definition TV's has dropped by over %50 the past 5 years, look for the price of BlueRay and HD players to drop dramatically over the next 2 years as the two formats fight it out! There are more consumers than you may think, that want better quality. Stop, and think about how much time you spend listening to music, watching TV, and how much you type in front of that 10 year old dam CRT monitor? |
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