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| nefardec |
yeah and shhh don't tell anyone this but you can automate complex effects in the track clips themselves so everytime they are the same
ableton has the potential to kill DJing or elevate it
it comes as a decision to the user, are you going to be innovative or are you going to be a worthless sack? |
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| eRRaTiK |
| +1 worthless sack :D |
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| Lunar Phase 7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prism
I'm a so called an ALDJ after I switched from a pair of CDJs to Xone:3D and just a laptop I never looked back. A bad example of an ALDJ would be someone who fades tracks back and forth without any creativity. Many would argue with me but I am not afraid to say that I can do much more with my 3D and laptop than with a pair of CDJs. Like throwing loops, acapellas PvD would be a great example, may be even loading up VSTs and playing along with various sequences.
It's a lot of preparation you sort of do all the beat matching in advance by warping everything correctly and then you do the mixing live. Much respect to you SPAWN you know what Ableton is about. |
Stuff like this is cool, but you gotta ask if everyone starts doing this just for the of it, will it actually add tot he tracks, or will it just ruin a perfectly good tune?
I think a lot fo the time people do stuff just because they can, and as a result it sounds dog .
The amount of "chopping" up's I've heard, or terrible use of a flanger etc is amazing, and with ableton I think there is a real danger it will only get worse. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
Stuff like this is cool, but you gotta ask if everyone starts doing this just for the of it, will it actually add tot he tracks, or will it just ruin a perfectly good tune?
I think a lot fo the time people do stuff just because they can, and as a result it sounds dog .
The amount of "chopping" up's I've heard, or terrible use of a flanger etc is amazing, and with ableton I think there is a real danger it will only get worse. |
As long as those idiots keep doing that I'm happy because it makes me look that much better. |
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| nefardec |
Yeah a major problem with using ableton to play tracks that are produced under the assumption that DJs are playing the tracks as they are written is that because one does not need a lot of time to beatmatch, Ableton DJs get bored up there and don't want to feel like they are just playing music off of a laptop. What happens then is the start to mash and effect tracks more than is necessary or sounds good. Just because one can mash a track doesn't mean he should.
Even DJs like Paul van Dyk have shown this tendency live. I was not impressed with his ableton sets like I was when I saw him using records. Too many effects, too many drops, too much everything.
I have noticed my own tendency to get bored live. Luckily I play a lot of house parties so I can spend time living it up and enjoying the sound, but this is a major reason I have been getting into mixing video live with Resolume 2.4. |
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| AnomalyConcept |
One of the things that I really like about software mixing is you can record what you are doing, eg. all the settings on the EQs, filters, etc., so if something goes really well that you liked, you can take a look at it later and figure out why it sounded good, and how you can improve it.
I don't really use that much, but it is possible. |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
Yeah a major problem with using ableton to play tracks that are produced under the assumption that DJs are playing the tracks as they are written is that because one does not need a lot of time to beatmatch, Ableton DJs get bored up there and don't want to feel like they are just playing music off of a laptop. What happens then is the start to mash and effect tracks more than is necessary or sounds good. Just because one can mash a track doesn't mean he should.
Even DJs like Paul van Dyk have shown this tendency live. I was not impressed with his ableton sets like I was when I saw him using records. Too many effects, too many drops, too much everything.
I have noticed my own tendency to get bored live. Luckily I play a lot of house parties so I can spend time living it up and enjoying the sound, but this is a major reason I have been getting into mixing video live with Resolume 2.4. |
+1...see for me this is ONE of the reasons that i am not exclusively ableton right now. im still using CDJ's in the traditional manner because of the "spontaneity" aspect as well as the fact that sometimes it feels more "live" if your beatmatching is slightly off on a mix...something more tangeable about the human factor. everything i have said about ableton still stands however, because i truly beleive that there are benefits to playing ableton as well as benefits to playing cdjs/TTs. as an eclectic person i dabble in both ableton and cdjs and im also looking into getting torq but im curious what thigns are gonna look like in like 5 years. what do you guys think? will ableton have taken over the world?? lol. |
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| AnomalyConcept |
I think in five years the following will happen:
1. There will be a camp of pro-Ableton people that currently use Ableton exclusively, and will continue to use Ableton exclusively. If there is a new program that comes out, they will not use it, since: a. they are already very familiar with Ableton; b. it is not mature enough. Some may even continue to tout Ableton as the best thing since sliced bread (TM).
2. DJs using vinyl and CDs will continue doing so. SSL or similar programs will become more popular, since digital downloading -> burning on CDs will become time-consuming for some. Some may even 'take the plunge' and try out Ableton (or a newer program), and it will suit them wonderfully, as they can integrate various technology to better their set.
3. A program will come out and it will basically do the basics of mixing- beatmatching, phrase matching, harmonic mixing (again, pre-analyzed), etc. People will bemoan the death of the DJ. The mixes it make will be bland and uninteresting, due to poor track selection algorithms.
4. Hopefully I'll get better =D I really think the combined approach is best, since you can integrate all sorts of new technologies and approaches to open up creativity. |
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| nousplacidus |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con
Why dont you read the manual and go through the tutorials on your legit copy of Ableton before posting insanely stupid threads on forums such as this one. |
Yikes...:conf: |
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| nousplacidus |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnomalyConcept
I think in five years the following will happen:
1. There will be a camp of pro-Ableton people that currently use Ableton exclusively, and will continue to use Ableton exclusively. If there is a new program that comes out, they will not use it, since: a. they are already very familiar with Ableton; b. it is not mature enough. Some may even continue to tout Ableton as the best thing since sliced bread (TM).
2. DJs using vinyl and CDs will continue doing so. SSL or similar programs will become more popular, since digital downloading -> burning on CDs will become time-consuming for some. Some may even 'take the plunge' and try out Ableton (or a newer program), and it will suit them wonderfully, as they can integrate various technology to better their set.
3. A program will come out and it will basically do the basics of mixing- beatmatching, phrase matching, harmonic mixing (again, pre-analyzed), etc. People will bemoan the death of the DJ. The mixes it make will be bland and uninteresting, due to poor track selection algorithms.
4. Hopefully I'll get better =D I really think the combined approach is best, since you can integrate all sorts of new technologies and approaches to open up creativity. |
I personally think the idea of mixing everything together is the best option, thats whats great about the advances that have come about in the last 6 or 7 years, total flexibility. People who love vinyl can now have both, and everyone can be happy in the Digital/Vinyl age. |
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| Zild |
| As a user of Serato and Ableton both. I just don't see the need for Serato anymore. To me the fake records are just for show. |
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| movingincircles |
ugh
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play around
i learned that way, didn't even read a single word from the manual
even if you did read the manual 100% all the way through, u still wouldn't know what to do
a good idea is either play around or get a VIDEO dvd tutorial and go along with it. |
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