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NY Mag - From Paris to Prostitues: The Short, Drunken Life of Club Row (pg. 3)
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| Konijn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Also, how does making NYC's nightlife look bad help out a magazine that lives off of reporting on a lot of social events in New York? |
new york magazine has always been utter dog and no one takes them seriously (mixmag is garbage too and hyping the played-out bacterial frap that is ibiza only reiterates the point). what nymag hopes to accomplish with this tripe is twofold: one, sell magazines based on an article filled with salacious and titillating details; two, to demonize bottle service and megaclubs.
this is where ny mag and people like felicia romano of the voice march in lockstep. they cloak their attacks of bottle service and megaclubs under the veneer of 'caring about ny nightlife' when in reality what really bothers them is that table service has equalized the playing field in terms of access to priviliged areas of clubs. they simply can't stand that velvet ropes and tucked-away alcoves which once upon a time would have parted only for them are now accessible to anyone willing to pay. the democratization of access is eating them alive and it oozes through the prose of every article churned out by these elitist goons. it's not the vip tables that bother them -- it's having to share space with b&t crowds and hayseeds who just moved to nyc from some godforsaken dump.
let's kick the ballistics:
new york has always has 'mega'-nightspots, dating back to the turn of the century and running straight through the halcyon days of the '70s, '80s and early-to-mid '90s, so size certainly isn't a problem. what about the all-important music, then? just about every weekend there is quality party for all tastes at locations of varying size, style and temperament, so arguing that the 'music' has been adversely affected is disingenuous at best (whether or not critics of the current 'system' actually attend the parties they rhetorically praise is a different story altogether)
this leaves the only remaining variable: the crowd. throngs of sloppy darwinian specimens who fifteen years ago wouldn't have been allowed north of delaware or east of parsippany (much less into prime nyc nightspots) are now guzzling goose with aplomb while the writers of ny mag stew...
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if nymag had a shred of integrity they'd write a real journalistic piece, detailing how the problems don't stem from a few sloppy gimps, but rather are a direct result of the city's warfare on nightlife. fifteen years ago, if one incident occured at 56th St., another at 14th & Irving and and another at 27th & 12th, it would've simply been three isolated and unremarkable incidents. when you force a bazillion clubs into a 8-square block radius, of course, things look far worse.
naturally, writing this type of story would've required actual legwork and research, and followup would have revealed the current attempts to rezone those chelsea blocks from industrial to mixed-use residential/commercial -- an effort clearly outside the scope and capabilities of nymag... |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
To be honest, I didn't really find the article that extremely exaggerated with regards to 27th St. It's the same people have been complaining about for the last year or two on lots of forums for the NY EDM scene. Maybe we're all just old and jaded...or maybe there's actually a lot of truth to it that you would just like to ignore.
When there are quotes from promoters, owners like Jon B, and employees stating the things that they are, it's a little hard to say it's fabricated. Their mission statements and tactics are in direct opposition to what a lot of people think is good for the club scene and what is good for society. People are pissed off because these actions make it harder and harder to have a good time out in this town. Investors see the money that can be made, without a ton of risk until lately, and want to support this style of club, making less and less venues free of the people that we were attempting to escape by going to clubs in the first place.
Also, how does making NYC's nightlife look bad help out a magazine that lives off of reporting on a lot of social events in New York? |
well, that's where i disagree slightly... sure the general jist of the argument was on the money... yes, these promoters really did ruin nightlife... if you don't know who Jon B is, he was a huge promoter at the Tunnel, he went from being totally in touch with the MUSIC and dark vibe of the BIG ROOM to opening places like Home and Guest House, for the money.... so yes, in that aspect, it is correct in its story-telling.... but then, they went over the top... c'mon dude, you and i both know there's not "puddle of vomit everywhere" and people ting themselves all over the block... it's the superfluous and untrue details that just kills the article, from someone like my perspective...
as far as your last sentence and point, i disagree a lot.... NY Mag was never about anything nightlife related... none of these venues ever had an article about them in NY Mag... the only time NY Mag reported on nightlife was if there was something indy going on in LES or Williamsburg, or if the superclubs shut down.... NY Mag is geared toward the upper-class white and OLDER upper-east-side intellectual New Yorker.. my mom reads it because she gets it for free, but other than that, she shares my same opinion on the magazine, that it's really only a tiny peephole of a portrayal of what's really going on in New York, as told by a few people |
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| DJ Eco |
| and Konijn, this is the first time ever that i agree with you haha |
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| steven-neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by djquick83
In that case, I want my very own VIP table with complimentary bottle of Grey Goose. :D :p |
no vip's,,,,i want people to have memberships though,,,but not in the sleezy sense..i want equal boy girl ratio tickets..and no tickets sold at the door.... |
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| AY STAR |
on the topic with mixmag
they have deff gone to
only reason i still get a subsciption is cause of the free cd lol |
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| steven-neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
on the topic with mixmag
they have deff gone to
only reason i still get a subsciption is cause of the free cd lol |
has it got that bad????...i havent read it since ive been here....i still want to advertise in it though..... |
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| AY STAR |
nah the music reviews are still good like how they review cd's and tracks
but they cut down a lil bit like there used to be 2 pages of trance reviews on tracks same with house and techno now its just 1 page each
but the thing thats the worst now and its not just mixmag its with these festivals and is with now puttin on rock bands with edm and i still dont get it they have nothing to do with each other
and now mixmag is startin to do interviews with them and more articles and
total waste |
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| StrobeLifeNYC |
| They're going the BPM magazine route, I guess. Now THAT is a magazine that has slouched down to a worthless state of affairs, and is totally not in touch with nightlife culture or dance music. |
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| djquick83 |
| quote: | Originally posted by steven-neil
no vip's,,,,i want people to have memberships though,,,but not in the sleezy sense..i want equal boy girl ratio tickets..and no tickets sold at the door.... |
This will make one hell of a club. LOL. We will call u the Club Nazi from now on. :wtf: |
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| steven-neil |
| quote: | Originally posted by djquick83
This will make one hell of a club. LOL. We will call u the Club Nazi from now on. :wtf: |
no way dude exactly the opposite....people with membership cards get concessions and priority on ticketed events....also members wont have to wait in line....
boy and girl tickets makes sense...
if you have ideas PM me,,,TA for me is like a marketing thing....all my ideas come from this site....i know what makes people passionate and i know the enviroments that you all want to enjoy yourselves in... |
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| barosoap |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
if nymag had a shred of integrity they'd write a real journalistic piece, detailing how the problems don't stem from a few sloppy gimps, but rather are a direct result of the city's warfare on nightlife. fifteen years ago, if one incident occured at 56th St., another at 14th & Irving and and another at 27th & 12th, it would've simply been three isolated and unremarkable incidents. when you force a bazillion clubs into a 8-square block radius, of course, things look far worse.
naturally, writing this type of story would've required actual legwork and research, and followup would have revealed the current attempts to rezone those chelsea blocks from industrial to mixed-use residential/commercial -- an effort clearly outside the scope and capabilities of nymag... |
NY Mag has featured stories in the past about the city's attack on nightlife. I think we've even discussed it on the board before. There's a feature article on Peter Gatien from May of last year that talks about how he was Giulliani's primary target in the mid-late 90's, which eventually led to the closing of Tunnel and Limelight and his deportation. http://nymag.com/nightlife/features/17066/index.html
| quote: | | In 1998, Gatien was brought up on federal drug-conspiracy charges. The prosecution alleged that, if he was not directly involved in the sale of narcotics, then he was guilty of conspiring to allow the sale and open use of drugs in his clubs. The jury acquitted him in a matter of hours. Still, Giuliani seemed determined to get him “on something, on anything,” says Musto, “just to prove to the family-values crowd that he had rooted out the evil in New York.” |
Re: the crowd. I don't think any of us deny they're a problem. It is a recent phenomenon of the past few years that is a direct result of the owners and bottle pushers. We're not saying the crowd is the only problem, we're just highlighting that this in combination with other factors like the city cracking down is killing the scene for many of us who used to enjoy it in the past. |
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| steven-neil |
| i kinda figure that if people have to make a bit of an effort to attend your night then they deserve to be there..membership is the way forward... |
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