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worse than the loudness war.. (pg. 2)
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| DJ Shibby |
| when all else fails, add more cowbell. |
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| DigiNut |
| Best thing to do is start with white noise at 0 dB and put a limiter on the master. |
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| B_man |
Shakers and Cowbells + triangles
Now I need some Farmer Brown Samples... gyyyahahahaaaa!
I'm feeling like I'm gonna produce a #1 hit with this diabolic combination. |
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| Vizay |
I'd say that this deffo is connected to the whole "loudness war".
As usual the general opinion seem to be that louder = better and what could be better for loudness than loads of layered instruments.
Even though I really hate that kind of thinking and reasoning I find myself quite often in the very same trap, filling up my headroom more and more.
I must say that in the end there's nothing as good as a simple track with nice dynamics! |
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| camsr |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Best thing to do is start with white noise at 0 dB and put a limiter on the master. |
Not a bad idea actually |
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| Allied Nations |
| I just put shakers in a track :( |
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| Nemesis44 |
If you listen to the best tracks (in my opinion) they still have that ability to breathe a little.
I find that may of the tracks that pile up on various frequencies actually lake melody and components that stick in your mind. In other words, you forget about the track as soon as you have heard it.
If you have a strong melody then you don't need to go ape with the shakers, cowbells or anything else.
In this particular instance we can actully take the lead from a lot of rock bands as they actually only need bass, two guitars, drums and a vocalist. Not a big fan of rock but you can always hear a well written track.
Sometimes less is definately more.
Cheers
Nem |
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| flutlicht junky |
shakers = MORE ANALOG
Its the modern way :toothless |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
That is one temptation.
Can't do anything interesting with just a few elements? Then add more and everything will be too busy for most people to notice how boring the individual elements are.
Stupid. |
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| zodiac9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
If you have a strong melody then you don't need to go ape with the shakers, cowbells or anything else.
In this particular instance we can actully take the lead from a lot of rock bands as they actually only need bass, two guitars, drums and a vocalist. Not a big fan of rock but you can always hear a well written track.
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I come from the rock and metal world, so it seemed odd to me how much layering is expected in Trance and other forms of EDM. I agree, if you have a good melody, you don't need to have to have a ton of things going on. Progressive Trance tends to have less melodies, or no real melody line at all, so that is made up for by adding a lot of percussion lines and FX, ect. Some of it sounds good, some of it is pretty sterile and boring.
I use shakers and tambourines a lot, and I'm always experimenting with new percussion sounds. I try not to overdo it though, and my tracks always have strong melody lines. Nonetheless, I gave in to the pressure of trying to fill every space of my tracks. This is mainly due to feedback I've gotten from other producers, so I assumed it was expected. I guess that's just the way it is nowadays. DJs and the average listener seem to expect it too.
I switched over to Progressive House, I think out of rebellion. Prog House seems to be more about the music, and doesn't rely so much on percussion layering and having a ton of things going on at once. It's more pure musically, much like the way Trance used to be. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
In this particular instance we can actully take the lead from a lot of rock bands as they actually only need bass, two guitars, drums and a vocalist. Not a big fan of rock but you can always hear a well written track. |
Modern rock bands fill up every inch of headroom, AND overcompress for loudness.
It's all about the "wall of sound". |
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| Vizay |
Well I guess it's not far from the truth to say that producing EDM theese days have become more usual since the access to software is so wide (with piracy and all that stuff).
Everyone want to do it but not everyone is equally suited for it. It takes a good ammount of creativeness to create a really good and mindblowing melody but in order to create something quite regular all you need is to listen to others work, copy and alter and then fill up the rest of the track with sound in order to mask that the rest of the track is actually quite mediocre.
Call me cynical but it's true for quite many productions... |
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