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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I think it's very possible for there to be a certain level of truth to it. While I don't necessarily believe in a higher-being such as a God, I do believe that a lot of what exists in Christian bibles is based off of actually happenings and that God was just a way to explain the unexplainable.
From what I understand, incidents such as Noah's Flood are referenced throughout reading materials from various religions outside of Christianity and mention that it happened about the same time, although not to the extent that the Bible played it off.
Ultimately, I think that a Jesus Christ did exist. Was he the son of God? It's not my place to say yes/no and I don't think we'll ever know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the person in the tomb was him. |
100% agreed. |
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| dj_bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
back up the train, buddy.
studying theology and "studying" politics? who are you to say which discipline is worthy of standing without quotations? you do know i'm a polisci major, right? |
I think he was referring to Bush "studying" politics not intelligent people studying politics :p |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_bas
I think he was referring to Bush "studying" politics not intelligent people studying politics :p |
oh okay. keep the locomotion moving then. :D |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
I think it's very possible for there to be a certain level of truth to it. While I don't necessarily believe in a higher-being such as a God, I do believe that a lot of what exists in Christian bibles is based off of actually happenings and that God was just a way to explain the unexplainable.
From what I understand, incidents such as Noah's Flood are referenced throughout reading materials from various religions outside of Christianity and mention that it happened about the same time, although not to the extent that the Bible played it off.
Ultimately, I think that a Jesus Christ did exist. Was he the son of God? It's not my place to say yes/no and I don't think we'll ever know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the person in the tomb was him. |
honestly i kinda get what you're referring to, the noah's flood example i mean, but i think there is a bit of confusion. i agree there is definitely a historical importance to the bible...but i think the majority of it really is like you sorta mentioned...taken from other traditions and jesus is transformed into this archetypal god figure. pretty much the entire story of the bible has roots in other previous legends. miraculous birth, many of the miracles, flood legends, timelines of creation, armageddon...all of those things are just part of different legends that precede cristianity. and let's face it. the bible is a collection of written works by a bunch of annonomous authors...it's most likely they borrowed from previous cultural stories.
just imo at least... |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The thing is, in science there are actual tests of the theories that experts develop; you know, they have to prove that they *work* in some manner and "cash out" in the physical world. Religions have no comparable feature. Apart from archeological and historical debates about their origins, it is all just a game of people who like one book yelling that people who like any other book are all damned to hell or whatever. |
That's not what I was getting at, and I was very clear. Talk to an "Average" person who claims they are an atheist and believe in science. Surely if they truly believe in science they would understand it. Most atheists don't understand science, and rely on experts. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WHETHER SCIENCE IS RIGHT OR WRONG. If you believe in science you should understand it. It's that simple. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
People use the results of the scientific mode of inquiry every time they get into a car, use a computer, eat refrigerated or microwaved food, turn on an air conditioner, or listen to music. What has religion produced by its methods of talking to invisible beings and consulting old books? Very little.
Sure, to someone who knows nothing about science a microwave, a computer monitor, and an internal combustion engine operate essentially by "magic," but this does not change the fact that if a person had the time, intelligence, and inclination he could learn all the relevant information and even perform all the relevant experiments himself. One cannot say this of religion, there being no "experiments" to perform and no "information" to learn beyond the pack of stories squabbled over by theologians. Maybe religious propositions reflect reality and maybe they do not, but there is no reliable way of telling one way or the other. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
People use the results of the scientific mode of inquiry every time they get into a car, use a computer, eat refrigerated or microwaved food, turn on an air conditioner, or listen to music. What has religion produced by its methods of talking to invisible beings and consulting old books? Very little.
Sure, to someone who knows nothing about science a microwave, a computer monitor, and an internal combustion engine operate essentially by "magic," but this does not change the fact that if a person had the time, intelligence, and inclination he could learn all the relevant information and even perform all the relevant experiments himself. One cannot say this of religion, there being no "experiments" to perform and no "information" to learn beyond the pack of stories squabbled over by theologians. Maybe religious propositions reflect reality and maybe they do not, but there is no reliable way of telling one way or the other. |
I didn't realize ignorance was permissible as long as it has to do with science. :stongue: |
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
Hinduism declares that all of us are God, only, we are ignorant of this fact. By God I do not mean a supernatural being, rather a symbol of universal consciousness. |
...when I read this I was about to start robbing banks, ing random bitches on the street, and laugh at cars approaching me at high speeds.
"I'M GOD MOTHER F*CKER!" |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
I didn't realize ignorance was permissible as long as it has to do with science. :stongue: |
Not at all. The important point is a fundamental difference of method. Idiots and ignorant people can latch onto any sort of institution, religious or non-religious, but this does not mean that all institutions are equal or that belief in one kind is on the same epistemological footing as belief in another kind. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Not at all. The important point is a fundamental difference of method. Idiots and ignorant people can latch onto any sort of institution, religious or non-religious, but this does not mean that all institutions are equal or that belief in one kind is on the same epistemological footing as belief in another kind. |
The whole Religion Vs. Science argument is completely laughable because of the fact that these institutions are SO MUCH alike, especially when it comes to their followers. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The followers can be very similar, yes, but the institutions are quite different. |
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| Subey |
| I'm Jesus' role model :D |
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