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Jesus Christs remains will be unveiled (pg. 9)
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| Vlad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
He had a different interpretation of the Jewish laws, and constantly "corrected" the Pharacies (Which is why he was crucified, coincidentally). He also had many different ideas such as "Love your enemy" and also promoted non-violence, which the Torah does not do.
Christians follow Christ (They should, but don't. They follow the establishment of religion unfortunately) because he was a visionary, filled with fresh ideas that made sense to them. To say that it's "Bull" is just not true. |
He might have had ideas but who's to say that he is the final say? Amidst his ideas, he was still a devout Jew... ate Kosher, respected the Sabbath, etc... You could call him the first public "reform" Jew. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
"Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord." (Lev. 19: 17-18)
But then there are, of course, lots of bits about stoning to death adulterers and disobedient children and people who work on the Sabbath and all those other things that the Lord wanted people killed for doing. |
I was talking about the non-violence part, I should have put them in separate sentences or something.
We all have to remember that without the Torah, Jesus wouldn't have anything to interpret.
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
He might have had ideas but who's to say that he is the final say? Amidst his ideas, he was still a devout Jew... ate Kosher, respected the Sabbath, etc... You could call him the first public "reform" Jew. |
He doesn't have the final say. You do, and I do. But that is my interpretation. :crazy: Some people DO believe he has the final say. |
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| Lateralus |
Inform the masses! The end of the debate is nigh!
The incarnation of both God and Jesus is:
LORD TETSUO!!
Bow to your God!
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by eROs.au
jesus, lol. |
SO it begins!
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| Trance Nutter |
I've heard a couple of places say that he'll do a DNA test or something.
ok, but what will they compare it to? They don't have Jesus's DNA so theres no way of telling if its Jesus's remains there. |
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| eROs.au |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Nutter
I've heard a couple of places say that he'll do a DNA test or something.
ok, but what will they compare it to? They don't have Jesus's DNA so theres no way of telling if its Jesus's remains there. |
lol i was thinking the same thing. |
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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lateralus
Inform the masses! The end of the debate is nigh!
The incarnation of both God and Jesus is:
LORD TETSUO!!
Bow to your God!
/thread |
ROFL he spelt Tiesto wrong.
N00B!!1 |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vlad
The mere existance of Christianity is complete bull. First off, if Christians were to believe in the ideas of Jesus, than Christians would have to abide by the Torah. No matter how 'holy' Jesus was supposed to be, Jesus still prayed to a god (which disapproves the idea that 'Jesus is thy Lord and savior'), and he abided by the Torah and all its laws. |
I'm not certain what exactly your point is. I get the impression you believe that Christians elevate Jesus to a higher status then God, take his authority over God's, and pray to him instead of God. If this is what you think then I must correct you. The proper view of Jesus to Christians is that he was a physical manifestation of God on earth. He is not above God, rather he was part of God who lived as man to experience life as man. Through this experience Jesus became the ideal intermediary between God and man as he was devine but human. Christians do pray directly to God, however, we often will invoke the name of Jesus in our prayers seeking his advocacy on our behalf (I supposed that this is based on a believe that Jesus, having been man, is more sympathetic to our plights). If you believe that Christians disregard God in favour of Jesus you simply misunderstand us.
Additionally, I should point out that stating we ignore the law of the Torah is simply incorrect. Yes, there are many things that we do not abide by, however, this is more a stylistic difference then anything else. Our focus is on the things that Jesus taught, the things he focused on, as this is what we believe he felt was important. What Jesus' ministry was about was cutting through all the little things and erred beliefs that were convoluting the real message of God. Are the laws important, yes, but they are not the be all and end all, what really matters is living as God would want us to.
Now, more on topic with this thread.... A question to any believers (this should apply to Muslims too as finding the remains of Jesus is really more a blow to their faith then it is to Christianity)... if these remains could be and were proven to be Jesus' and his family... does that really effect your beliefs? |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lateralus
Inform the masses! The end of the debate is nigh!
The incarnation of both God and Jesus is:
LORD TETSUO!!
Bow to your God!
/thread |
Then who is Akira? |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
The existence of this debate is bull.
No one wins.
Doesn't matter what evidence you bring to the table from either side, it won't make a difference if the other person believes in something else. |
+9,393,358,094,823,184,953
Having learned it the hard way, my philosophy is ABANDON ANY ARGUMENT when it pertains to religion, choice of music, choice of Operating System, or afinity for certain brand of MP3 player. It's a pointless conversation in which one thing is constant: COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF CRAP BEING FLUNG BETWEEN CONVERSING PARTIES.
/thread. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXTTTT!!!!!!! :rolleyes: |
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