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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I really wouldn't consider (or know why) they would be considered "new age". When I think of "new age" I think of really relaxing music, and although they do have some relaxing stuff, it's hardly new age. Same with Deep Forest and Enigma. Sure they have new age influences, but "ethereal-pop" is the best term to describe Enigma and Delerium's music. Deep Forest, well they would be world fusion. They don't sound very "ethereal". |
Dude all these projects are called "new-age". You can invent thousands of genre and sub-genre names for every single artist in this planet (since objectively every artist has a unique sound no matter how much is related to others. In a matter of fact every sinlge song has a unique sound), but if the general consensus has agreed to call a category of musicians as "X" then it is wise to call them "X" (and not "Y") as well. Genre-names are not there to objectively define things, genre-names are there to collectively refer to a group of musicians who somehow play a similar sound, and help categorise them so as to help every listener to understand whats going-on.
I can make music which distinctively sounds like epic-trance with super-saws and stuff, but in order to differentiate myself i could call it euphori-techno or lush-dance or art-trance or whatever, i can invent hundreds of genre-names on the go and this is how it usually happens with all genre-names.Unfortunately i don't think that the majority of people would agree with my term (except for the fans)and hence, (unless my sound is really hugely distinctive-probably no super-saws), it would be grouped as epic-trance as well. I imagine many genre-names are invented by the press and people. Some stay because they are succesfull in vaguely describing the sound of a considerable number of musicians, and because the genenral public agrees (likes the) on the description.
Now if you perform a search you will find that Delirium are grouped as a mainstream new-age group together with enigma, deep forest,adiemus sacred spirit, amethystium, era, enya, mythos, b-tribe, cusco etc. etc. etc.The chances are that if you like delirium you will like most of these musicians (thats another good criterion for genre-names). New-age has started as a kind of mainstream ambient music with ethnic/folkloric influences and more of a "transcedental", "mystical" kind of sound.
You can use "ethereal-pop" or whatever but you will be the only one (or one of the very few indeed) and hence it would not be very helpfull as a term.I personally never heard of the term "ethereal-pop" but i know of the "ethereal-darkwave" (also known simply as darkwave, ethereal, or etheri-wave) music of the 80s and the 4AD and World Serpent sounds (Dead Can Dance, This Mortal Coil, Clan of Xymox,Death in June etc. amazing music indeed), a sound which is related wih new-age but which is much darker, and more of a branch of the 80s gothic scene(there were even some 90s musicians as well playing the current sound such as love spirals downwards, mira, lycia, black tape for a blue girl-make sure you check them if you like atmospheric music-especially Lycia, absolutely stunning ethereal dark ambient). Since delirium's sound falls within the broad range of what the term "new-age" defines then its simply "new-age". |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
Now if you perform a search you will find that Delirium are grouped as a mainstream new-age group together with enigma, deep forest,adiemus sacred spirit, amethystium, era, enya, mythos, b-tribe, cusco etc. etc. etc.The chances are that if you like delirium you will like most of these musicians (thats another good criterion for genre-names). New-age has started as a kind of mainstream ambient music with ethnic/folkloric influences and more of a "transcedental", "mystical" kind of sound.
You can use "ethereal-pop" or whatever but you will be the only one (or one of the very few indeed) and hence it would not be very helpfull as a term.I personally never heard of the term "ethereal-pop" but i know of the "ethereal-darkwave" (also known simply as darkwave, ethereal, or etheri-wave) music of the 80s and the 4AD and World Serpent sounds (Dead Can Dance, This Mortal Coil, Clan of Xymox,Death in June etc. amazing music indeed), a sound which is related wih new-age but which is much darker, and more of a branch of the 80s gothic scene(there were even some 90s musicians as well playing the current sound such as love spirals downwards, mira, lycia, black tape for a blue girl-make sure you check them if you like atmospheric music-especially Lycia, absolutely stunning ethereal dark ambient). Since delirium's sound falls within the broad range of what the term "new-age" defines then its simply "new-age". |
You have a point, but I lump Delerium, esp their newer stuff, in the same boat as Enigma (somewhat), Balligomingo, Bel Canto, Blue Stone, Single Gun Theory, Sleepthief, and a few others, as "ethereal-pop" mainly because they are pop music with a more ethereal (otherworldy) or angelic feel. The structure is like pop music (I guess you could say "synth-pop"). Mainstream new age would be like Yanni, Enya, David Arkenstone, Chris Field, Will Ackerman, Michael Stearns, Mythos, Andreas Vollenweider and the like. Amethystium is similar to these guys, but also has some Enigma type sounds.
I know it's not an objective thing, but I just find it misleading to call them "new age" when it's more of an electronic pop type sound that isn't all relaxing or theraputic...sometimes quite dark and brooding, other times serene and calm. Enigma's latest album is hardly a new age album, as it appears he's gone totally in a dark, brooding and quite spacey direction. It's almost more space-rock or progressive/art/kraut rock, more similar to Pink Floyd than Enya. I just think Enigma's music is too dark and dancey to be "new age". Even the slower, more ambient stuff....it can sound quite dark and somewhat depressing (listen to "Shadows In Silence" and you'll know what I am talking about).
I guess I think of new age as "theraputic" music, calming and uplifting stuff that can be played in the background. There is definitely new age influence in the music, but just because it has a mystical or ethereal atmosphere, doesn't neccessarily mean it's new age. I guess I just find that label misleading, that's all. That darkwave stuff, definitely this music has some influences from it, but I don't find it quite as dark or brooding as that stuff. I mean there is no real genre called "ethereal-pop" but there should be. Most of this stuff is put in the rock/pop or electronic/dance sections of stores anyways. Deep Forest is neither ethereal, nor new age. It's dance beats put to world music...which is essentially what worldbeat or world-fusion is noted as...like Afro-Celt Soundsystem and some of B-Tribe's stuff.
I guess my point..is that Enigma, Delerium (after Karma), Blue Stone, Balligomingo, Sleepthief..are closer to pop music than new age music. That's all. Their music would more likely be played on Top 40 radio stations than these new age artists that I listed, which are more instrumental (well except Enya, but she uses her voice as more of an instrument than a sing songey type thing) and wouldn't be as well accepted by mainstream audiences (other than as quiet time/meditation/yoga music, some jazz enthousiasts or people into the new age movement or music). Real new age is closer to jazz, classical, world music and some ambient. But I guess my idea of new age isn't quite as broad as yours or others. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
You have a point, but I lump Delerium, esp their newer stuff, in the same boat as Enigma (somewhat), Balligomingo, Bel Canto, Blue Stone, Single Gun Theory, Sleepthief, and a few others, as "ethereal-pop" mainly because they are pop music with a more ethereal (otherworldy) or angelic feel. The structure is like pop music (I guess you could say "synth-pop"). Mainstream new age would be like Yanni, Enya, David Arkenstone, Chris Field, Will Ackerman, Michael Stearns, Mythos, Andreas Vollenweider and the like. Amethystium is similar to these guys, but also has some Enigma type sounds. I know it's not an objective thing, but I just find it misleading to call them "new age" when it's more of an electronic pop type sound that isn't all relaxing or theraputic...sometimes quite dark and brooding, other times serene and calm. Enigma's latest album is hardly a new age album, as it appears he's gone totally in a dark, brooding and quite spacey direction. It's almost more space-rock or progressive/art/kraut rock, more similar to Pink Floyd than Enya. I just think Enigma's music is too dark and dancey to be "new age". Even the slower, more ambient stuff....it can sound quite dark and somewhat depressing (listen to "Shadows In Silence" and you'll know what I am talking about).
I guess I think of new age as "theraputic" music, calming and uplifting stuff that can be played in the background. There is definitely new age influence in the music, but just because it has a mystical or ethereal atmosphere, doesn't neccessarily mean it's new age. I guess I just find that label misleading, that's all. That darkwave stuff, definitely this music has some influences from it, but I don't find it quite as dark or brooding as that stuff. I mean there is no real genre called "ethereal-pop" but there should be. Most of this stuff is put in the rock/pop or electronic/dance sections of stores anyways. Deep Forest is neither ethereal, nor new age. It's dance beats put to world music...which is essentially what worldbeat or world-fusion is noted as...like Afro-Celt Soundsystem and some of B-Tribe's stuff.
I guess my point..is that Enigma, Delerium (after Karma), Blue Stone, Balligomingo, Sleepthief..are closer to pop music than new age music. That's all. Their music would more likely be played on Top 40 radio stations than these new age artists that I listed, which are more instrumental (well except Enya, but she uses her voice as more of an instrument than a sing songey type thing) and wouldn't be as well accepted by mainstream audiences (other than as quiet time/meditation/yoga music, some jazz enthousiasts or people into the new age movement or music). Real new age is closer to jazz, classical, world music and some ambient.
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Ok i see what you mean.Fair-enough if you like to categorise them in this specific way. As we all say, music genres are ill-defined, and stuff can easily slip from one category to another. But still, if you look deep down there is no need to invent a new sub-genre. I mean the idea behind the music of the mentioned artists is the same. The structure of the music regardless of the subjective feel it evokes (which also differs from musician to musician and from listener to listener) is identical. Put some slow-tempo rhythms, a bit of nice synth-ambience, a few ethnic samples on top or chants and presto!-this music genre whatever it is called. You differentiate the sounds of Mythos and Enya with Enigma and Deep forest fair-enough, but deep down they are almost identical to each other (and when i mean enigma i mean the first four albums-and yes shadows in silence is an amazing tune!).
The only difference is the subjective feel they evoke which is truly different and depends on the artist, but my opinion is that genre-names should not be extensive, and should be mainly aimed in grouping music in terms of the musical structure and not on the subjective emotions it evokes. It would be a bit useless to create genre-names for things that "feel" different but their sound is the same! I mean Enigma-yes-they are darker then deep forest, but aren't both of these groups based on this same idea?Isn't the structure of their songs identical? In both cases we get a slow-tempo beat, some ethnic influences in terms of samples which naturally differ (enigma have used aboriginal, native american and gregorian samples whereas deep forest have used african and east european ones)and the usual synth-ambience, such as reverbed lush pads. I mean a more precise genre for enigma was always new-age or worldbeat instead of just pop. Thats how it was all these years (i don't know about the recent album). Ishkur actually differentiates the sound of Enya (new-age) with enigma, deep forest, b-tribe, delirium and afro-celt sound system which groups them as "world-beat" or "ethnic". This could also be valid. The message is that most of these artists are directly (or indirectly) grouped in the same music-genre (The famous "pure moods" compilations were always featering these artists!)
Anyway i also think that if the threadstarter likes Delirium, chances are that he would also like enigma, deep forest, amethystium and similar stuff. I think he got the message lol.
p.s. Bel-Canto were/was amazing. I used to have a cd with a nice yellow cover which i can't remember the name lol. I think it was their only album or one of their two albums. Do they still exist lol?I remember that i used to listen to Bel-canto and other artists like Love Spirals Downwards, Mira, Lycia,Rheas Obsession, Stoa etc.They (and i) used to group these artists as 90s ethereal/darkwave. If you haven't heard of them i think you will like them. Especially Love Spiral Downwards "Idylls" and Lycia's "The Burning Circle and Then Dust". Absolutely amazing ethereal haunting and beautifull music. |
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| Spirit5 |
| The way I see Enigma's use of ethnic samples vs. Deep Forest, is that Enigma often has used those samples as a means to enhance the feel of the track, make it sound spacey, mystical or other-worldly. Deep Forest, on the other hand, uses the ethnic samples in the forefront, not in the background, and puts dance beats on top. The result sounds much funkier and fun than Enigma, which is pretty serious and deep music. I get the point about not being so specific, I guess I just am. But I personally don't see Deep Forest and Enigma as being in the same catagory. Enigma's music isn't really "ethnic" music. The first album had a few Indian chants, but it was mostly Gregorian chants mixed with some English and French spoken world, and some singing..backed by a dance beat. The other albums had the same formula, mixed in with some spacey ambient stuff. Sure Deep Forest might be the same idea, but I think I am talking about the use of ethnic samples. Delerium and Amethystium seem to use them more like Enigma has, in the background as a way to enhance the feel, rather than have the track be taken up by it. As far as Bel Canto, I only own "Shimmering, Warm & Bright" but I definitely want to buy their other albums. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
The way I see Enigma's use of ethnic samples vs. Deep Forest, is that Enigma often has used those samples as a means to enhance the feel of the track, make it sound spacey, mystical or other-worldly. Deep Forest, on the other hand, uses the ethnic samples in the forefront, not in the background, and puts dance beats on top. The result sounds much funkier and fun than Enigma, which is pretty serious and deep music. I get the point about not being so specific, I guess I just am. But I personally don't see Deep Forest and Enigma as being in the same catagory. Enigma's music isn't really "ethnic" music. The first album had a few Indian chants, but it was mostly Gregorian chants mixed with some English and French spoken world, and some singing..backed by a dance beat. The other albums had the same formula, mixed in with some spacey ambient stuff. Sure Deep Forest might be the same idea, but I think I am talking about the use of ethnic samples. Delerium and Amethystium seem to use them more like Enigma has, in the background as a way to enhance the feel, rather than have the track be taken up by it. As far as Bel Canto, I only own "Shimmering, Warm & Bright" but I definitely want to buy their other albums. |
Ok, i guess i just group them all the same:p The reason thatwe differ is that you get the "feeling" of the music into account whereas i don't. Anyway beside these stupid genre-wars, yes "shimmering warm and bright" is the one i own as well!!!What an album, it was one of my favorite in my goth days. I think i'll have to dig it again!Thanks for reminding.
Ok , for all people that like ethereal atmospheric music, check-out these videos in Youtube NOW!!!
Lycia- "Nine Hours Later"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_8_jNun4IM
Lycia- "Pray"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALJq...related&search=
(These are from the "burning circle and then dust" album which i consider it to be the BEST atmospheric album ever lol!Anyway its really goosebumb-inducing etheral-darkwave music.)
God is An Astronaut- "Fragile"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2lA7Oyv864
God is An Astronaut- "From Dust To Beyond"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnbvGcUcbGQ
These clips are done by GIAA themselves.Its heart-wrenching music accompanied by heart-wrenching clips really. GIAA are an amazing post-rock group with lots of lush synths. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I really wouldn't consider (or know why) they would be considered "new age". When I think of "new age" I think of really relaxing music, and although they do have some relaxing stuff, it's hardly new age. Same with Deep Forest and Enigma. Sure they have new age influences, but "ethereal-pop" is the best term to describe Enigma and Delerium's music. |
I guess I'm just not adapting to new names. "Ethereal-pop" reminds me of pop, and that's the last thing on my mind when I hear Delerium. When did this name pop up? I guess I just blanket songs that are very chill with the word new-age, as does most companies and older people (although I'm not old). But Delerium is mostly down-tempo to me.
I just typed "Delerium" in iTunes and their songs came up with the genre "electronic." Wow, that was as informational as asking someone "what music is Madonna" and getting the reply, "female." |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
I guess I'm just not adapting to new names. "Ethereal-pop" reminds me of pop, and that's the last thing on my mind when I hear Delerium. When did this name pop up? I guess I just blanket songs that are very chill with the word new-age, as does most companies and older people (although I'm not old). But Delerium is mostly down-tempo to me.
I just typed "Delerium" in iTunes and their songs came up with the genre "electronic." Wow, that was as informational as asking someone "what music is Madonna" and getting the reply, "female." |
Definitely not all of their stuff can be considered pop, but a lot of their music after Karma (which was kind of going in that direction, but still had dark, ambient or gothic undertones to it) is definitely accessible, more upbeat and vocal based...and definitely sounds like "pop" music. I've even heard some of the singles from their past three albums played on the radio and in retail stores. Ethereal implies that it's other-wordly, angelic or heavenly, and if you listen to a lot of Delerium after Karma, you will hear angelic type vocals. It's inspired other projects like Balligomingo (which only released one album), Sleepthief, Conjure One (which is Rhys Fulber's side project) and Blue Stone. All of these projects have copied the similar style that Delerium has made popular...female vocals that sound angelic or somewhat operatic, some ethnic samples to add to the "ethereal" feel and some dance beats or rock-like percussion to make it sound more upbeat.
Listen to tracks on "Poem" and "Chimera" especially, and then listen to Blue Stone, Balligomingo, Conjure One and Sleepthief, you will hear the similarities (if not down right copy-cat at points). Just lately these groups have popped up, and more will. Delerium (and Enigma) have inspired a new style in a sense, that owes itself to me..more to dance/pop and electronic/ambient music, than to new age. Like I said in my earlier posts, I consider (and I have listened to a fair share) of new age. New age is something more instrumental, and closer to jazz and classical than to dance and pop music (though some of it is quite accessible, just not accepted in the mainstream). I think if you heard most new age music, you'd be more shocked to have Delerium be called "new age" than "pop". New age is just very calm, quiet, uplifting and sometimes sappy sounding music. I dunno, are people considering the term "new age" to mean "progressive"? That's the only thing I can think of...
Edit: I'm NOT trying to start genre wars or anything. I just like having this discussion. I'm not saying I am right, and you are wrong, but in a way...I feel the label of new age for certain groups is misleading. |
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| PETRAN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Definitely not all of their stuff can be considered pop, but a lot of their music after Karma (which was kind of going in that direction, but still had dark, ambient or gothic undertones to it) is definitely accessible, more upbeat and vocal based...and definitely sounds like "pop" music. I've even heard some of the singles from their past three albums played on the radio and in retail stores. Ethereal implies that it's other-wordly, angelic or heavenly, and if you listen to a lot of Delerium after Karma, you will hear angelic type vocals. It's inspired other projects like Balligomingo (which only released one album), Sleepthief, Conjure One (which is Rhys Fulber's side project) and Blue Stone. All of these projects have copied the similar style that Delerium has made popular...female vocals that sound angelic or somewhat operatic, some ethnic samples to add to the "ethereal" feel and some dance beats or rock-like percussion to make it sound more upbeat.
Listen to tracks on "Poem" and "Chimera" especially, and then listen to Blue Stone, Balligomingo, Conjure One and Sleepthief, you will hear the similarities (if not down right copy-cat at points). Just lately these groups have popped up, and more will. Delerium (and Enigma) have inspired a new style in a sense, that owes itself to me..more to dance/pop and electronic/ambient music, than to new age. Like I said in my earlier posts, I consider (and I have listened to a fair share) of new age. New age is something more instrumental, and closer to jazz and classical than to dance and pop music (though some of it is quite accessible, just not accepted in the mainstream). I think if you heard most new age music, you'd be more shocked to have Delerium be called "new age" than "pop". New age is just very calm, quiet, uplifting and sometimes sappy sounding music. I dunno, are people considering the term "new age" to mean "progressive"? That's the only thing I can think of...
Edit: I'm NOT trying to start genre wars or anything. I just like having this discussion. I'm not saying I am right, and you are wrong, but in a way...I feel the label of new age for certain groups is misleading.
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Ok mate i see, its natural for different people who have different experiences and different exposures to different genres to categorise things in different ways. E.g. a hard-rock fan would categorise Led-Zep as "hard-rock", a heavy metal fan as the fathers (or grandfathers) of heavy-metal and a 60s-70s prog-rock enthusiast as a great experimental rock group. Who is right? All of them since there are no objective criteria for genre categorisation. You are obviously fonder for the delirium type of stuff.
Now i don't care about genre-names, maybe the "new-age" thing is misleading its true. But these people-enigma-deep forest-sacred spirit-b-tribe-adiemus etc. started at around the same time with similar influences, similar ideas and similar sounds. There was a “worldbeat-ethnic” revolution that happened in the early 90s. People used to fuse electronica, down-tempo rhythms with ethnic samples and ambience. Maybe “new-age” is indeed misleading, but if you want to call it “ethereal-pop” or whatever, I can’t see how you can differentiate the sound of enigma from deep forest. I mean the structure is identical and it’s natural to use different samples.
I can't see how Enigma or even Delerium are more "serious" then deep forest or what are the criteria for this “seriousness”. You said that deep forest have a kind of more funky playful mixing. I can’t see how this kind of mixing is less serious and funkier then Delerium’s Karma and semantic spaces. Deep forest may have some more up-beat songs but i personally find their "Boheme" album very serious and beautiful. IMO, "Boheme" has much more quality then Delerium's "Karma". If you were around at that age, critics said that Delerium-originally a dark ambient/industrial group-were using more and more aboriginal, Taiwanese,Gregorian chants-that is-all these new-agey/worldbeat cliché samples (that Enigma, Deep forest and other musicians such as Mike Oldfield have used in the past) in order to be more accessible to the audiences and that’s what they’ve done (As silence gloriously demonstrated). In a way they were ripping a lot projects like Enigma and B-Tribe.
I haven't heard their later efforts which indeed they could be very poppy but "semantic spaces" and "karma" were these types of albums (floating as the same boat with enigma and deep forest and stuff). If you listen to "Karma" there are some very playful (IMO stupid imitations of enigma/deep forest/b-tribe) "funky" mixed tunes with all the cliché samples and stuff. I can't see how Karma is "serious" and "dark" music. On the contrary i would say that is a very cliché, badly done rip-off of the projects i mentioned before, and i consider "Boheme" to be more original and serious then "Karma". You said B-Tribe is different then Enigma. Serious? Have you heard “Suave Suave"??? I mean, this album was praised by the press as the "Latin version of Enigma". You even got the native-American wood-wind instrument in their album and kind of similar ethereal (yes ethereal) chords although mixed with more Latin influences. IMO this kind of genre over-classification is useless and causes more confusion. As for delirium and the other modern groups you mention, these are nothing more then Delerium rip-offs, and I can’t see how their sound is more similar to the traditional sound of Enigma then Deep Forest or B-Tribe.
Also take a look at the tracklists of these compilations:
http://www.discogs.com/release/556881
http://www.discogs.com/release/556895
http://www.discogs.com/release/746281
Do you get the pattern? I mean using the type of argument “look how people group the stuff” is weak. Because most people categorise them together doesn’t mean that this is right. But in these types of arguments, where “genre-categorisation” is a subjective, ill-defined subject-matter, using this type of subjective information is useful IMO. It says something about how the majority of people view genres. And I thing that the majority views all these projects as one category, a continuum. Do you know why? Because the music-structure, the ideas, the concepts are identical. Listen to the Lycia and GIAA samples I posted before, and you can immediately say that they are different then this type of more accessible music. The sound is different. Not just the feeling it evokes (“feelings” and “emotions” are not good criteria for genres). Lycia have this type of continuous floating soundscape which is soaked in full reverb and delay and heavy rock-like drums. Enigma/deep forest/delirium all have easy-listening themes, ethnic samples popping here and there and some poppy vocals. You can immediately hear that Lycia are different then Delerium/Enigma/B-Tribe but you can’t hear how Delerium/Enigma/B-Tribe are different to each other unless you take into account stuff like “enigma used more Gregorian samples then delirium, or they kinda have a slightly darker concept”…which are weak to death.I personally view Enigma/Deep Forest/Sacred Spirit/B-Tribe etc. as the first generation that spawned this type of sound and Delerium/Amethystium/Mythos etc. as the second generation. It’s nice to have genre-categorisation up to a certain point. But after a certain point it’s just useless and bad.
Now, as you said, I’m not stating that there is an absolute truth in genre-categorisations and that some are naturally more correct or appropriate ones then others. I just state my opinion, which says that if you consider the music structure, the scene behind the genre, its ideas, concept and influences; it’s the one and the same thing. You can call it whatever you like no probs with that. Or you can use further fractionation if you fancy, at least in case that you find it helpful. Its natural though that you wont like every single musician belonging in a specific genre.
p.s. Enigma actually ripped the sound of a Vangelis’ album. This was “Direct”!
http://www.discogs.com/release/68185 |
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| Echo of Silence |
lol, tc-fan!
Do what I did. Throw all of your Delerium files into one folder (mine's in a Delerium folder under the letter "D" in my "Music - Not Yet Organized" Folder).
As you listen, move the file(s) into the appropriate folder(s). If you have 9 zillion tracks that begin with Delerium, you can't put them all into any one genre folder because they span different genres, especially since half of them are remixes.
A lot of the original mixes will go in my Downtempo/Chill/Ambient folder. |
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| Spirit5 |
Fair enough Petran. Kind of done with this discussion (tired of it) but I will say again, that I just don't find the structure of Enigma and Delerium's music the same as Deep Forest. Deep Forest uses almost all ethnic music, their songs are surrounded by the chants and songs from various cultures, put to dance beats. This makes it sound more upbeat and at times..funky or playful. They even use some accordians in their music, and the result sounds quite funky.
Delerium's newer signature sound (the sound they're known to have now that has given them mainstream attention) is female vocals put to some lighter dance beats and some tribal and rock like percussion. The ethnic samples are quite minimal. Enigma does have some female vocals, but the sound is unclassifiable, at times it's very ambient and dark (Shadows To Silence, Morphing Thru Time, Almost Full Moon, Smell Of Desire, Traces (Light & Weight)), other time it is soaring uplifting tracks (Return To Innocence, Following The Sun, Child In Us, Eyes Of Truth) or dance tracks (Push The Limits, Sadeness, Mea Culpa, Boum Boum). There's only about a handfull of Enigma tracks that really use a lot of ethnic vocal samples (Return To Innocence, Child In Us, Eyes Of Truth, Age Of Loneliness, Beyond The Invisible). And their latest album has removed them, in favor of operatic vocals and some latin/gregorian chant.
I still feel "Karma" is a dark and at times...gothic sounding album, esp compared to "Poem" and "Chimera". Delerium is closer to Enigma in their sound, but has used more female vocals and has spawned copy-cats like Conjue One (which is Rhys Fulber anyways), Balligomingo (blatant rip off), Blue Stone (sounds almost identical at points, but seems to take it a step further) and Sleepthief (a Delerium, ala Chimera..copy-cat, quite a poor imitation). After Karma (and somewhat around Karma) it's obvious that Delerium took a more pop-like direction, as Enigma has taken a much darker, less pop-like sound, esp on their latest album. Delerium originally copied Enigma on some tracks on their albums "Semantic Spaces" and "Karma" but seems like they took a direction on "Poem" and "Chimera" where they used various female vocalists and made tracks that were undoubtely mainstream/pop sounding, almost every track was a vocal track. Which I'm not saying was a good direction. Karma was a better album than those, if not their best album IMO. It had a lot more variety, a more diverse sound. |
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