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Those pesky Iranians at it again. (pg. 21)
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| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
I'm also not surprised the U.S. government is currently trying to encourage the opposition parties in Iran to rise up. The current regime needs to end ASAP. |
Hey idiot do you know the groups that the U.S is supporting?they are by far worst then the current regime in Iran.so STFU and go learn about your filthy governments backward politics before you open your mouth.
| quote: | | It's obvious that most of the terrorist lovers, anti western posters on this board, who all live in the West, haven't got a clue as to what democracy is about. |
what your country is doing to other nations in the world isnt democracy it is hypocrisy. |
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| Fir3start3r |
Jesus, anything to fight the Americans huh?
I guess NOBODY else can do anything wrong like Iran's doesn't stink?
Please...:rolleyes: |
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| M.Johan |
| quote: | Iran seeks goodwill over captives
Iran's ambassador to London has said Britain should respond "in a positive way" to the release of the 15 Royal Navy personnel held for 13 days.
Rasoul Movahedian told the Financial Times that Tehran wanted help in releasing five Iranians held in Iraq.
He said: "We played our part and we showed our good will... now it is up to the British government to proceed in a positive way," he said.
The crew have two weeks' compassionate leave to spend with their families.
Iran has said a press conference where the crew described being bound and held alone was "theatrical propaganda" that did not justify their "mistake".
Mr Movahedian indicated that Tehran also wants Britain's help to ease international fears about its controversial nuclear programme. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6534335.stm
Doesnot ignore ...........
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article...3,00.html?f=rss
Int(intelligence)activities on Iranian Activity
1.Of course this's against the Iranian political consultation.
2.This's against the strategic dialogue and in the field of security and national defense.
3.This's agianst The state's security and its contents strategy.
4.This's against the sign of any agreements or international or regional treaties that could endanger the security risk.
5.This's a existential threat to the position of the state and its national identity. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Jesus, anything to fight the Americans huh?
I guess NOBODY else can do anything wrong like Iran's doesn't stink?
Please...:rolleyes: |
So it's OK for the US to play dirty because other people also play dirty? I thought you guys were all about ideology and keeping on the higher ground. Isn't that why you're supporting the inculcation of our western values to those easter barbarians? If our system can't beat them cleanly how is it better? Why bother changing what they have? Why go: hey you barbarians, look at how uncivilized you are, you have to resort to violence! And then, what do we do....? Way to set an example!
edit: On that note, since you're a parent, what is the best way to get a child to eat broccoli? By eating broccoli of course. How can you expect the child to understand how it is good for them if you yourself don't eat it! |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
So it's OK for the US to play dirty because other people also play dirty? I thought you guys were all about ideology and keeping on the higher ground. Isn't that why you're supporting the inculcation of our western values to those easter barbarians? If our system can't beat them cleanly how is it better? Why bother changing what they have? Why go: hey you barbarians, look at how uncivilized you are, you have to resort to violence! And then, what do we do....? Way to set an example!
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Some people are forced to play by the rules and others don't know the rules or care what they are.
So at times, getting down and dirty is needed.
Don't think I'm making excuses for anyone here either however, given the choice, I'd play by the rules.
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edit: On that note, since you're a parent, what is the best way to get a child to eat broccoli? By eating broccoli of course. How can you expect the child to understand how it is good for them if you yourself don't eat it! |
Depends on how old the child is.
Broccoli creates a lot of gas and depending on the child's digestive system may or may not be good for them.
Generally, for babies, not good; especially if they're already 'windy' and have problems.
I know you were trying to make some sort of analogy but I'll play along :p |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Some people are forced to play by the rules and others don't know the rules or care what they are.
So at times, getting down and dirty is needed.
Don't think I'm making excuses for anyone here either however, given the choice, I'd play by the rules.
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I don't mind the getting down and dirty, what bothers me its the portrayal of what the US is doing as being all for the good of the other people. Obviously there has to be some benefit for the US and is it not going to be the 'betterment of mankind'. If we drop all pretenses of goodness, then we can acknowledge what needs to be done and get on with it. If we are going to do it for the 'betterment of human kind' and as a non profit operation (like the US is saying they are doing) then we should play by the rules and getting down and dirty should not be allowed.
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Depends on how old the child is.
Broccoli creates a lot of gas and depending on the child's digestive system may or may not be good for them.
Generally, for babies, not good; especially if they're already 'windy' and have problems.
I know you were trying to make some sort of analogy but I'll play along :p |
I just chose broccoli because it's the stereotypical thing childs dont like :p. My point was that people on average learn better by imitation. |
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| M.Johan |
| quote: | Anger as hostages sell stories to highest bidders
Amelia Hill and Jamie Doward
Sunday April 8, 2007
The Observer
The 15 British military hostages released by Iran were accused last night of cashing in on the ordeal by selling their stories in a string of lucrative media deals.
The sailors, who spent 13 days in captivity and at times feared for their lives, have been given permission by the Ministry of Defence to give exclusive interviews. The MoD justified lifting the ban on military personnel selling their stories while in service because of the 'exceptional circumstances' involved
The former captives are expected to make around £250,000 between them. Faye Turney, the 26-year-old seawoman, is likely to get the most profitable deal. She is said to have sold her story for £150,000 in a joint contract with a newspaper and ITV.
The development was criticised by politicians and relatives of victims killed in the Iraq war. Liam Fox, the shadow Defence Secretary, said: 'One of the great things about our armed forces is their professionalism and dignity. Many people who shared the anxiety of the hostages' abduction will feel that selling their stories is somewhat undignified and falls below the very high standards we have come to expect from our service men and women.'
Colonel Bob Stewart, a British commander of United Nations forces in Bosnia, told the Sunday Times that the MoD had turned a military disaster into a media circus. 'The released hostages are behaving like reality TV stars,' he said. 'I am appalled that the MoD is encouraging them to profit in this way.'
Rose Gentle, whose son Gordon was killed by a bomb in Iraq, said: 'This is wrong and I don't think it should be allowed by the MoD. None of the parents who have lost loved ones in Iraq have sold their stories.'
One of the ex-hostages reportedly wanted £70,000 for his story. There were reports that the Royal Marines were planning to sell the vases given to them in their 'goody bags' by the Iranians on eBay. The father of one of the hostages said the MoD had suggested the servicemen 'Go out there, tell the truth and make the money.'
It emerged yesterday that Iranian intelligence officers told the 15 captives they first became suspicious about their activities after watching an interview with one of them on British television.
Families of the hostages said their loved ones had told them the Iranians had made the claim soon after capturing them. On 13 March - 10 days before the Britons was seized - Channel 5 broadcast an interview with Captain Chris Air, one of the captured Royal Marines, in which he stated that his crew's role was to liaise with Iraqi vessels to 'let them know we are here to protect them, protect their fishing and to stop any terrorism or any piracy in the area'.
· Additional reporting: Mark Townsend and Andrew Wander |
deal.....
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_n...2052699,00.html
| quote: | MoD: Captured crew can sell their stories
By Emma Henry and agencies
Last Updated: 10:17am BST 08/04/2007 |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...nsailors108.xml
| quote: | CIA tortured me in Iraq, claims freed Iranian diplomat
Allegations spark fresh speculation of secret deal
Robert Tait in Tehran and Gaby Hinsliff
Sunday April 8, 2007
The Observer
An Iranian diplomat who was freed last week, two months after being seized in Iraq, said yesterday that he had been tortured by the CIA while in captivity at an Iraqi government installation.
The claims by Jalal Sharafi on Iranian state television will lead to fresh speculation that the diplomat was freed as part of a deal to secure Wednesday's release of 15 British servicemen seized by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
The allegations also come amid continuing political fall-out over the two-week hostage crisis in both London and Tehran, with both Iran's President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and Prime Minister Tony Blair being criticised for their behaviour during the stand-off.
While Sharafi's claims are very similar to those made by the servicemen on their return to Britain, the recent US history of renditions, kidnapping and abuse make them difficult to ignore.
Although US officials denied yesterday any role in Sharafi's abduction, his release has led inevitably to suspicion that it was part of a secret deal that has also seen US forces grant access to five other detained Iranians in Iraq.
Sharafi was kidnapped in February by gunmen wearing Iraqi army uniforms. When he was released on Tuesday, Iraq's Foreign Minister, Hoshyar Zebari, said the diplomat was in good health but 'did not know who had held him'.
Sharafi, however, says he was abducted by agents bearing Iraqi Defence Ministry ID cards. He said he was taken to a base near Baghdad airport, where he was questioned in Arabic and English.
'Questions asked by CIA agents were about the presence and influence of Iran in Iraq. They asked questions about the amount of aid Iran provided to the government of [Iraqi Prime Minister] al-Maliki, Shia, Sunni and Kurdish groups,' he said.
'When they were faced with my answers about the official relationship of Iran with the Iraqi government and officials, they increased the tortures. Many days they tortured me day and night,' he said.
And as Britain and Iran continued to swap accusations, evidence was emerging in Tehran that both conservative and reformist Iranians were increasingly disillusioned with Ahmadinejad, arguing that the televised scenes of the Iranian President personally greeting the bemused Britons moments after announcing their release had brought ridicule on the country's Islamic system.
A fundamentalist MP, Emad Afrough - chairman of the Iranian parliament's powerful cultural committee - denounced the performance as 'inappropriate': 'It is not befitting for any government that the entire cabinet bids farewell to 15 military personnel who had hitherto been recognised as invaders of Iran's territorial waters,' he told The Observer
The criticism was echoed by Saeed Leylaz, a pro-reformist commentator, who said: 'The origin of this show has been the humiliation of the country of Iran. You capture people and then you send them out with suits, shirts, sweets and gifts to take back to Britain. It's embarrassing.'
Ahmadinejad - who has come under pressure over Iran's worsening economy - was thought at first to have wrong-footed his critics with the theatrically staged ceremony last Wednesday.
The political fall-out was not limited to Iran. In London, too, friction has emerged between Downing Street and the Foreign Office amid claims that the tougher line taken by Tony Blair may have delayed the release of woman sailor Faye Turney.
Margaret Beckett, the foreign secretary, has faced accusations that she was sidelined during the drama, leaving the Prime Minister's foreign policy adviser, Nigel Sheinwald, to make the real breakthrough. However, this weekend friends insisted the Foreign Office's 'softly-softly' approach had paid off.
Whitehall sources disclosed that the parading of Turney had backfired on Iran in the Arab world, costing it the support of Muslim countries who believed it was wrong for a woman to be held captive.
Syria was among influential neighbours that helped pressure Iran into releasing the sailors, while the Turkish Prime Minister also interceded on Britain's behalf. |
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| Fir3start3r |
So what if they can sell their stories? That's not news at all; happens all the time.
It's no different when Paparazzi agents sell their shots to the rags.
The soldiers aren't under some moral obligation to not sell it and if they can, good for them!
They deserve it considering the hell they went through (which I'm sure the government is compensating for; yea right... :rolleyes: ) |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
They deserve it considering the hell they went through (which I'm sure the government is compensating for; yea right... :rolleyes: ) |
ya they went through hell alright .:rolleyes: |
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| DJ Shibby |
What a mess...
Our entire species is acting like feuding infants... it's completely ridiculous. |
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Freed Iranian diplomat says US tortured him
An Iranian diplomat freed two months after being kidnapped in Iraq has said he was tortured by United States forces while in captivity, Iran's Fars News Agency has reported.
Iran has blamed the US military for his abduction, while US officials deny any role.
His comments follow the release of 15 British troops from Iran, where they say they were ill-treated.
"Jalal Sharafi, in an interview with Fars, explained how he had been kidnapped and tortured severely by American forces with the help of agents working for Iraq's communications organisation, which works under the supervision of the CIA," Fars News Agency said.
"He showed reporters the marks left by torture on his body that are now being treated by doctors."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitem...04/s1892118.htm |
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| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
Freed Iranian diplomat says US tortured him
An Iranian diplomat freed two months after being kidnapped in Iraq has said he was tortured by United States forces while in captivity, Iran's Fars News Agency has reported.
Iran has blamed the US military for his abduction, while US officials deny any role.
His comments follow the release of 15 British troops from Iran, where they say they were ill-treated.
"Jalal Sharafi, in an interview with Fars, explained how he had been kidnapped and tortured severely by American forces with the help of agents working for Iraq's communications organisation, which works under the supervision of the CIA," Fars News Agency said.
"He showed reporters the marks left by torture on his body that are now being treated by doctors."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitem...04/s1892118.htm |
see "The west" doesnt give a about what has happend to him and they see no problems with him being totured since he is from a terrorist nation. :rolleyes: |
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