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Phrasing*? (pg. 2)
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| discobiscuit |
| program? serato-ish or ableton-ish programs would def help you make a perfect mix (as in phrases matching up perfectly). i mean, you can actually see the whole track and where the breakdown/buildups are. |
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| agentdansmith |
This is a hard question to answer cause there is no real technique to doing it. I mean I can usually buy some new tunes and mix them into each other well straight away and phrased correctly.
Its just something that you will pick up.
But then not everyone is musically minded - maybe some people might have to follow a formula which would be to follow the numbered formula mentioned earlier. |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
This is a hard question to answer cause there is no real technique to doing it. I mean I can usually buy some new tunes and mix them into each other well straight away and phrased correctly.
Its just something that you will pick up.
But then not everyone is musically minded - maybe some people might have to follow a formula which would be to follow the numbered formula mentioned earlier. |
I dont think they were giving a formula but rather just trying to put into text how tracks are structured. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by discobiscuit
program? serato-ish or ableton-ish programs would def help you make a perfect mix (as in phrases matching up perfectly). i mean, you can actually see the whole track and where the breakdown/buildups are. |
Cause counting kick drums takes so much skill :tongue2 |
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| sleepydragon |
| u shouldnt even need to count |
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| Andryuha |
| quote: | Originally posted by discobiscuit
program? serato-ish or ableton-ish programs would def help you make a perfect mix (as in phrases matching up perfectly). i mean, you can actually see the whole track and where the breakdown/buildups are. |
My thoughts exactly. PVD uses ableton + midi controller for mixing. |
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| AnomalyConcept |
The phrasing refers to musical phrases. If you pay attention, you'll hear that elements are usually layered or repeat every 8, 16, or 32 bars (assuming 4/4 time signature).
You don't want to drop a track in the middle of a phrase since you would end up having two phrases not aligned and it would sound odd, hence the technique called 'phrasing'. It's actually fairly simple to do, and to be honest, doesn't require 'knowing your tracks'- it's definitely possible to predict the structure of a track.
Breakdown refers to the section where usually the track's percussion elements are removed, and the track energy drops a little. A breakdown builds energy again and leads to the percussion being added back, usually the highs (hats) first, and sometimes involving a snare roll with the kick being added back at the end of the breakdown.
Breakdowns are usually when the crowd has their hands up in the air, regardless if a filter (hands up machine, ala the PvD video in the Anthem thread) is used. :stongue: |
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| theognis1002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnomalyConcept
The phrasing refers to musical phrases. If you pay attention, you'll hear that elements are usually layered or repeat every 8, 16, or 32 bars (assuming 4/4 time signature).
You don't want to drop a track in the middle of a phrase since you would end up having two phrases not aligned and it would sound odd, hence the technique called 'phrasing'. It's actually fairly simple to do, and to be honest, doesn't require 'knowing your tracks'- it's definitely possible to predict the structure of a track.
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exactly what i was looking for
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| shaminii |
| quote: | Originally posted by AnomalyConcept
The phrasing refers to musical phrases. If you pay attention, you'll hear that elements are usually layered or repeat every 8, 16, or 32 bars (assuming 4/4 time signature).
You don't want to drop a track in the middle of a phrase since you would end up having two phrases not aligned and it would sound odd, hence the technique called 'phrasing'. It's actually fairly simple to do, and to be honest, doesn't require 'knowing your tracks'- it's definitely possible to predict the structure of a track.
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Well said. I hate it when DJ's can't phrase their songs right and kick drums start hitting randomly.
You will realize that most trance tracks will have intros and outros that range from 8, 16, or 32 bars. The same applies for parts of the song. I guess this is where you gotta know your songs to know weather the song has a 8/16/32 bar intro/outro. Sometimes after a break, it'll take 16/32 bars till it reaches a certain point of the song where you wanna switch or whatever you like to do. So if it'll take 16/32 bars after the break, this is where I'll start a track with a 16/32 bar intro. Everything happens in 4...if not then who ever produced the song did not do a good job. Just cue up those tracks! |
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| DJMaytag |
| quote: | Originally posted by SPAWNmaster
well its already been mentioned that you should know your tracks to begin with. additionally as a DJ you should know your genre well enough to predict to an extent how things will match up...your brain will do it automatically at a certain point and combined with knowing your tracks well, it will be perfect every time. |
vinyl DJ's have the added advantage of being able to "see" what's happening on the grooves, kinda like the blind that read braille. know what RPM you're playing at (and the distance the needle moves laterally at that RPM per x number of bars) and be able to read the grooves and you should theorhetically be able to do just what you're saying PVD does. |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMaytag
vinyl DJ's have the added advantage of being able to "see" what's happening on the grooves, kinda like the blind that read braille. know what RPM you're playing at (and the distance the needle moves laterally at that RPM per x number of bars) and be able to read the grooves and you should theorhetically be able to do just what you're saying PVD does. |
what the ?
Thats the most long-winded way I could ever think of doing it. Up until now I've never even contemplated counting grooves or working out how far the needle moves per number of bars or anything like that. The only time I look at the grooves is to see how much of the track has played if I'm not paying attention.
Its simple, pretty much what this guy said:
"The phrasing refers to musical phrases. If you pay attention, you'll hear that elements are usually layered or repeat every 8, 16, or 32 bars (assuming 4/4 time signature).
You don't want to drop a track in the middle of a phrase since you would end up having two phrases not aligned and it would sound odd, hence the technique called 'phrasing'. It's actually fairly simple to do, and to be honest, doesn't require 'knowing your tracks'- it's definitely possible to predict the structure of a track." |
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| Tony Morello |
it's not really about knowing your tracks as it's about knowing how music is structured
4, learn it, live it, love it
after a lot of practice and listening to the music you learn to anticipate where things will happen and how they'll likely happen
it will almost become second nature and you do it without thinking about it |
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