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the scales used in infected mushroom tracks (pg. 2)
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| mysticalninja |
still think playing in certain scales and playing off scale charts and such is stupid..
i just think the more you study theory and scales and chord progressions and the less you just play with your ears the worse of a player you become.
are you saying the harmony of Communication was already written 300 years ago? the only new thing is the beat and synths? i dont think so.. |
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| flutlicht junky |
mysticalninja I agree in a way but it is far more likely they understand theory and then know they can discard it and explore.
I think they would have a crystal clear idea of exactly what scale is playing and what emotions / body effects those resonating freq will have to on the listener, even if the tune has no main key and is in constant modulation.
Just some info while looking about in psy discussion forums:
| quote: | | minor arpeggios Cm7, Dm7, Em7 |
| quote: | | phrygian mode is the typical goa scale/sound. |
Not sure if they help, and if you need more info on what a phyygian scale looks like you can use the below link.
http://www.electricbluesclub.co.uk/...ano_chords.html |
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| RichieV |
i don't blame you for thinking it is stupid. You probably won't ever venture into more harmonically complex realms of music where knowing which scales will work over which chords is invaluable. How do you think jazz players get to the point where they can solo on anything ? They start off by memorising scales. THey internalise these buidling blocks to the point where they no longer think about it and they play what sounds good to them. They will still be able to tell you what scale degree they are playing on anygiven note which shows a certain level of understand that goes beyond playing what " sounds " good.
I'm not saying this is the only way to go. I just think it is a little silly , stupid and immature to discount tools that real professionals use. Just because you don't use it , it doesn't mean people with alot more talent than you don't. |
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| mysticalninja |
| All I know is I have one of the top jazz musician students in california who comes to my studio and knows every last chord, scale, rythm, pattern, and every last shinanigan in the world but he couldn't write a decent trance tune if his life depended on it. and EVERYTIME he touches the keyboard it just sounds way too formal and done/cheezy. |
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| flutlicht junky |
| That's because he doesn't understand trance or understand what those sounds can make you feel when played on a 40K soundsystem in a club. :tongue3 |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
All I know is I have one of the top jazz musician students in california who comes to my studio and knows every last chord, scale, rythm, pattern, and every last shinanigan in the world but he couldn't write a decent trance tune if his life depended on it. and EVERYTIME he touches the keyboard it just sounds way too formal and done/cheezy. |
didn't know they had awards for top jazz students. Trance has an aesthetic and to assume that a jazz player would know it is rediculous. There are also a huge amount of knowledge involved with EDM that has absolutely nothing to do with theory. And to completely discount something because of 1 person ? Thats kinda stupid. Theory is a tool that will only help you. It will not make you any worse. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frost-RAVEN
I think I figured it out...the scale that IM uses a bunch is a natural minor witha raise 4th and 6th...BUT there is not seventh...it's a hextnonic scale, so:
in A
A - B - C - D# - E - F# - A |
Which is... E minor. Doesn't matter if they actually play the G or not (and I'm fairly certain they do).
Is it really that complicated? |
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| s-cube |
Just to point something out about IM..One of the guys (Erez Aizen) is a classically trained pianist, so i'm pretty certain they know what scales are!
On the other hand it is true that most psy producers have no clue about music theory (including me) and do it just by ear! |
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| DJREMIDI |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Which is... E minor. Doesn't matter if they actually play the G or not (and I'm fairly certain they do).
Is it really that complicated? |
E harmonic minor if I'm not mistaken; which means my original assumption that psy-trance often uses harmonic minor scales was correct. Yes? No? |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
didn't know they had awards for top jazz students. Trance has an aesthetic and to assume that a jazz player would know it is rediculous. There are also a huge amount of knowledge involved with EDM that has absolutely nothing to do with theory. And to completely discount something because of 1 person ? Thats kinda stupid. Theory is a tool that will only help you. It will not make you any worse. |
It's not just one person, all my favorite keyboardists the ones I can listen to jam and come up with things are self taught, and don't like scale/chord charts. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJREMIDI
E harmonic minor if I'm not mistaken; which means my original assumption that psy-trance often uses harmonic minor scales was correct. Yes? No? |
The Infected Mushroom type of psytrance tends to modulate a lot, but yes, the raised 7th without a raised 6th indicates harmonic minor.
Oh also, a bit off topic but there are two types of psytrance, one is the Israeli type which has a lot of footing in Hebrew music and hymns and such, the other is Goa which is heavy on the Indian influences. The former is somewhat similar to western music and tends to use harmonic minor fairly often, the latter is based on a totally different set of rules and a lot of non-standard, non-western scales. |
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| DJREMIDI |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Oh also, a bit off topic but there are two types of psytrance, one is the Israeli type which has a lot of footing in Hebrew music and hymns and such, the other is Goa which is heavy on the Indian influences. The former is somewhat similar to western music and tends to use harmonic minor fairly often, the latter is based on a totally different set of rules and a lot of non-standard, non-western scales. |
I've read the same thing in this article:
http://www.inthemix.com.au/features...ected_evolution
Just read the fourth paragraph. |
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