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the scales used in infected mushroom tracks (pg. 3)
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
It's not just one person, all my favorite keyboardists the ones I can listen to jam and come up with things are self taught, and don't like scale/chord charts. |
self tought guys just end up using pedantic systems, they just don't know it. I think you have just had bad experience with people that do know the theoretical side? Anywyas , your attitude is kinda selfdestructive. Why would you be so against something that will only help you. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
self tought guys just end up using pedantic systems, they just don't know it. I think you have just had bad experience with people that do know the theoretical side? Anywyas , your attitude is kinda selfdestructive. Why would you be so against something that will only help you. |
It's precisely because people are self-taught that they don't want to learn anything formally. They might find out they're doing it all wrong, and have to undo years of bad practice.
DJREMIDI: Well there you have it. Most psytrance today is of the Israeli type (most of it actually comes out of Israel), although I find that a lot of the amateur psytrance is closer to ordinary trance than Goa. Well, what can you do. |
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| Frost-RAVEN |
Great Link...
Roumanian Minor that's the name of the scale...thanks to that site...This is the scale IM uses a lot in their older albums... |
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| DJREMIDI |
| What song are you basing your conclusion on? Can you post a sample or the entire song? |
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| Frost-RAVEN |
Many songs...
Mush Mushi
Where is S
Psycho
Acid Killer
Tomy the Bat
Virtual Voyage
Over Mode
They all use that scale. |
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| mysticalninja |
So i'm watching some funny and crazy videos on youtube when I end up watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTV1CcS53JQ and right away i'm hooked on him, and spend the next half hour listening to all his classical pieces, then i run accross this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QYj...related&search= and what do i see him saying in the comments?
"I am self taught, never really studied it as in such.. I dont know much theory..."
It's like god planned it out himself, just when you were all giving me doubts about not having formal training, god gives me this sign not to worry about studying theory. i think if this guy wasn't self taught and filled his head with theory and progressions he probably wouldn't come up with the immense awsomeness he does today. |
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| camsr |
| You can self teach yourself music, as long as you know a few basics. It's just important to avoid getting stuck in one pattern of thought about musical progression. Constantly try new things even if they don't make sense, and combine what you try with other knowledge. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
So i'm watching some funny and crazy videos on youtube when I end up watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTV1CcS53JQ and right away i'm hooked on him, and spend the next half hour listening to all his classical pieces, then i run accross this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QYj...related&search= and what do i see him saying in the comments?
"I am self taught, never really studied it as in such.. I dont know much theory..."
It's like god planned it out himself, just when you were all giving me doubts about not having formal training, god gives me this sign not to worry about studying theory. i think if this guy wasn't self taught and filled his head with theory and progressions he probably wouldn't come up with the immense awsomeness he does today. |
did you know that every relevant classical composer that ever existed studied and knew theory ? Wether it was self taought or not. Are you saying Beethoven sucked ? And that video was text book chord progressions with cliche circle of 5ths that are usually in the first 20 pages of any harmony text book. I'm not sure what your point is. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
I feel almost like, while most of their stuff is in some variation on a minor scale, the parts that stand out the most would be in the accidentals. There are notes that sound correct in the context of the chord and the preceding and following notes, but are not part of the scale. I actually stumbled on a line that sounded really good, which sounded like an IM line. It was in G melodic minor, but perfect fourths and suspended sixths and sevenths would crop up occasionally.
Whatever sounds good.
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That's a guitarist. He knows theory whether he knows he does or not. Theory is the mode of thought for a guitarist. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
did you know that every relevant classical composer that ever existed studied and knew theory ? Wether it was self taought or not. Are you saying Beethoven sucked ? And that video was text book chord progressions with cliche circle of 5ths that are usually in the first 20 pages of any harmony text book. I'm not sure what your point is. |
your my point. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
So i'm watching some funny and crazy videos on youtube when I end up watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTV1CcS53JQ and right away i'm hooked on him, and spend the next half hour listening to all his classical pieces, then i run accross this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QYj...related&search= and what do i see him saying in the comments?
"I am self taught, never really studied it as in such.. I dont know much theory..." |
He's improvising these on a guitar and probably has had years of practice. He may not have formally learned theory, but how much do you want to bet that he's played hundreds or even thousands of pieces, hundreds of times? One picks these things up unconsciously, as an instrumentalist.
He also probably has talent.
Further to that, as Jex pointed out, guitarists have to know theory whether they know it formally or not. I can tell you right now that his compositions follow all the basic theoretical rules for his style. His er... "composition" is good, and I'm not saying I could do better (especially since I don't play guitar), but I don't think it's truly brilliant either as guitar music goes. It really is basically sticking to the rules, even if he doesn't know them in textbook form.
Seems I always hear the same defensive posturing from people who don't want to learn. They find one or two people who are self-taught and apparently think that implies that anybody can do it. Well, no, not anybody can do it, very few people can do it, and for every self-taught genius there are probably a hundred educated geniuses.
Finding one example of someone who's successfully taught himself is not a valid argument unless the original assertion was that all self-taught musicians and producers suck. That's not what I said, I said that the self-taught ones are typically afraid of learning anything formally because they might find out they've been doing it wrong, and in the majority of cases this is true. But go ahead and do whatever floats your boat! |
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| mysticalninja |
I've played hundreds of pieces hundreds of times too, I guess that means I also know theory? Awsome.
Why would a guitarist have to know theory but a keyboardist doesn't? Can you explain that abit. |
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