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Nu-trance/New trance/Minimal-trance (pg. 2)
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kingofsteele
Im glad to say that PVD style trance is dead and hardstyle is now the norm! DOWN with anything under 120 bpm |
Sorry to tell you but you are living in a bubble. |
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| Az |
| quote: | Originally posted by julien2
A couple of months ago, I was talking about that new breed of trance.
Some replied with disbelief, and...skepticism.
Well, this guy explains it way better than I did at the time: http://www.emusic.com/features/spot...281_200703.html |
maaaaaaaaaan it was all you, you did it
mix in my sig |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Dingel
If you listen to the tunes that the author names as "neo-trance" then I think you'll agree that Christopher Lawrence plays big tracks with big breakdowns by comparison. |
But he isn't quite an "anthemic" DJ and doesn't play as many as Armin van Buuren used to play, or George Acosta. He's been known as a puveyor of a more hypnotic and truer to the term "trance". His sets borders on psy and tech trance, with an occasional anthem or track with a big breakdown. But he's certaintly not "minimal" either(obviously). Compared to some underground DJs or minimal DJs or what-have you, yeah he does, but compared to George Acosta, no. He's just a trance DJ who doesn't stick to one style of track (like J00F), and obviously there's a lot of trance that's been released over the years that does have breakdowns, so he's going to put some of those in as well. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| ...minimal trance? |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
...minimal trance? |
Yeah, but one could put artists like Robert Rich as minimal trance (well some of it). His "Trances & Drones" album is quite "minimal-trance". |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by julien2
You missed the point of this thread. Yes you are right to say that, but the arcticle is actually about the new trance. |
I just don't see how it (the article) really needs to justify itself as a new sub-genre without needing to take the proverbial dump on all that came before it :)
As popular as it is to dump on the contemporary pop-trance music, the DJ's, producers and fans of that part of the trance genre, the actual music itself should eventually begin to form it's own little clique of followers simply on the merits of it's own achievements in the end. Which is not always easy to see this early in but it'll come to fruition without some pretentious journo needing to ram it down everyone else's throats with just their definition. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Yeah, but one could put artists like Robert Rich as minimal trance (well some of it). His "Trances & Drones" album is quite "minimal-trance". |
No, that's ambient, of the purest kind. |
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| Hydarnes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Yes but it's all fairly much true of any genre we've been exposed too since the 80's, singling out trance as the 'pariah' of the electronic music scene in terms of 'selling out to pop' is kind of unfair in a lot of ways.
Techno for just one example went from fairly much the late 80's, early 90's acid-rave, gabba scene to happy hardcore, top 40 dance and all that before finally petering out into the speedcore and terrorcore sub-genres in the late 90's.
Fact is, a lot of genres eventually polarise into some sort of pop and alternative scene from their roots, a few will cross genres and draw influence from other sources as musicians seek to progress their art and make themselves distinctive.
It's just the nature of the beast, everyone wants to be popular at some point as a musician as you're not paying your bills and living on happy thoughts alone. Some product has to move somewhere and something has to pay for the next project. |
Couldn't have said it better myself. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
No, that's ambient, of the purest kind. |
Well I know that but it's certaintly hypnotic, trance-like (hence the name) and minimalistic...which a lot of ambient is. It wouldn't be called "trances & drones" for no reason...maybe the better term would be "ambient trance" or "trance-ambient" music. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Well I know that but it's certaintly hypnotic, trance-like (hence the name) and minimalistic...which a lot of ambient is. It wouldn't be called "trances & drones" for no reason...maybe the better term would be "ambient trance" or "trance-ambient" music. |
It's all drones and textural soundscapes with the exception of the first track on the Trances disc which contains some subtle disjointed notes of something. The most essential thing in trance music is rhythm, it's based on rhythm. There is no rhythm on Trances / Drones, no percussive rhythm, no melodic rhythm. So it's definitely not trance-like. It's just early 80s sleep concert ambient music. Sure you may find the music to be hypnotic but that doesn't make it appropriate to say that it is trance, minimal trance or trance-like. There is a lot of music i think is hypnotic, it can be everything from orchestral music and prog rock to techno, but i wouldn't suggest we start calling them trance or trance-like just because i also think trance is hypnotic.
And about the title. It's just a title, and it's not like the word "trance" or in this case the plural "trances" means that something must have anything to do with trance music. And in this case it clearly doesn't.
What you said would make more sense if we were talking about a record like Steve Roach's "Proof Positive". That's fast paced (in places) rhythmic sequencer-based ambient. I've used the word "trancy" myself to describe it. Listen to it and you'll understand why. Here's a sample of the opening track "Westwind". |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
It's all drones and textural soundscapes with the exception of the first track on the Trances disc which contains some subtle disjointed notes of something. The most essential thing in trance music is rhythm, it's based on rhythm. There is no rhythm on Trances / Drones, no percussive rhythm, no melodic rhythm. So it's definitely not trance-like. It's just early 80s sleep concert ambient music. Sure you may find the music to be hypnotic but that doesn't make it appropriate to say that it is trance, minimal trance or trance-like. There is a lot of music i think is hypnotic, it can be everything from orchestral music and prog rock to techno, but i wouldn't suggest we start calling them trance or trance-like just because i also think trance is hypnotic.
And about the title. It's just a title, and it's not like the word "trance" or in this case the plural "trances" means that something must have anything to do with trance music. And in this case it clearly doesn't.
What you said would make more sense if we were talking about a record like Steve Roach's "Proof Positive". That's fast paced (in places) rhythmic sequencer-based ambient. I've used the word "trancy" myself to describe it. Listen to it and you'll understand why. Here's a sample of the opening track "Westwind". |
Okay I get your point. But i thought the whole idea behind the sleep concerts that Robert Rich had were to put the listeners in "trance states" via long, drawn out minimal-ambient music. I mean now that I listen to "trances and drones" it isn't quite like that Steve Roach track. But I do know that a part of new age/ambient music, there is trance-chant type music that is probably the purest trance music you can get. I guess I was under the impression that "trances and drones" was like that, but now that I listen to it again (samples on Itunes haha) it isn't. I've kind of been reluctant to purchase it. But the track "Resonance" even this 30 second sample, is kind of putting me in a trance haha. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Okay I get your point. But i thought the whole idea behind the sleep concerts that Robert Rich had were to put the listeners in "trance states" via long, drawn out minimal-ambient music. I mean now that I listen to "trances and drones" it isn't quite like that Steve Roach track. But I do know that a part of new age/ambient music, there is trance-chant type music that is probably the purest trance music you can get. I guess I was under the impression that "trances and drones" was like that, but now that I listen to it again (samples on Itunes haha) it isn't. I've kind of been reluctant to purchase it. But the track "Resonance" even this 30 second sample, is kind of putting me in a trance haha. |
30 second samples of this kind of music is as pointless as looking only at one corner of a big painting. The whole beauty of music like this is unveiled when listening for long periods without concentrating much.
"Trances / Drones" is nice stuff, but it's not among my favorites. Robert Rich's "Calling Down The Sky" is however. Awesome album, i recommend it. |
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