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Robert Henke's Monodeck II (pg. 3)
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| Ryan0751 |
You can add the new Xone 1D or 2D to your setup for more controls...
The 2D should be available soon, the 1D at the end of the summer I think.
My guess is these combined with the 3D is the result of the research they accomplished with the CTRL-92.
Integrating MIDI with the mixer portion just doesn't work, look at anyone who's trying to use the DJM-800 for ableton control, it's just not ideal.
Keep the MIDI and the mixer separate. That's what the 3D does (even if it's in the same box). Sasha does the same thing with his Maven.
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
Makes me wish I was the one that won that 110,000,000$ jackpot lottery.
I just wanted to buy a couple UC-33e's and a couple CME bitstreams and mess with them. I don't really need such a complicated deck, I just would need a lot of buttons and faders. I realized after getting a lot more knowledge in Ableton, I need more faders and knobs with my Xone:3D.
Thats why I was first interested in building my own controller out of other controllers. |
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| Inertia |
meh, the 2D is a bad choice IMO. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too expensive for such a small amount of controls. you already have the 3D, no sense adding the same stuff to it. the cheapest price ive seen online for the 2D is 700US.
just get a frickin Evolution UC-33e. like for like 200 bucks (less, if you hunt around), you get 8 faders, 3 knobs per fader, and 9 buttons. sure, nothing wow, but you just can't beat the price. want more stuff? get another!
$700
$200
you decide. |
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| jupiterone |
Pretty much exactly what I thought.
I think I'll be getting the UC-33 for travelling when I go to europe this summer. Nice and compact.
Anyone know if the faders/knobs are changeable? Meaning if you can remove them plastic bits? |
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| tintin11 |
the faders seem to have led's... so i doubt you can... knobs maybe
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| idoru |
| But the 2D is by Allen & Heath, man! Allen & Heath! |
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| Ryan0751 |
Yeah but the allen and heath has an integrated soundcard as well. You are looking at at least $250-300 for a usb/firewire 8 channel (4 stereo) soundcard, so all of a sudden $650 for the 2D isn't so bad.
You do realize the quality difference in the controls between those two is HUGE, right?
That's like comparing the Behringer mixer with a Xone 92: "They have the same controls, why pay more?".
The 2D can also send MIDI clock and has the "nudge" functionality.
The 2D is shipping in May in the US.
They also just announced the 1D, so for under $1000 you can turn any mixer into the same amount of controls as a 3D, and be able to take them with you to a gig without lugging something as big as the 3D. I don't think it's such a bad product.
Also, take a look at the Evolution controller:
1. It has tons of faders. That's nice, but are you REALLY going to be playing 8 clips at once? Ouch.
2. There are no buttons association which each channel grouping (fader/3 knobs). That means your clip controls have to be somewhere else, which isn't intuitive.
I'm not saying it's not a bad product, but you can't just look at a controller and count how many midi controls it has.
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
meh, the 2D is a bad choice IMO. waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too expensive for such a small amount of controls. you already have the 3D, no sense adding the same stuff to it. the cheapest price ive seen online for the 2D is 700US.
just get a frickin Evolution UC-33e. like for like 200 bucks (less, if you hunt around), you get 8 faders, 3 knobs per fader, and 9 buttons. sure, nothing wow, but you just can't beat the price. want more stuff? get another!
$700
$200
you decide. |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Yeah but the allen and heath has an integrated soundcard as well. You are looking at at least $250-300 for a usb/firewire 8 channel (4 stereo) soundcard, so all of a sudden $650 for the 2D isn't so bad.
You do realize the quality difference in the controls between those two is HUGE, right?
That's like comparing the Behringer mixer with a Xone 92: "They have the same controls, why pay more?".
The 2D can also send MIDI clock and has the "nudge" functionality.
The 2D is shipping in May in the US.
They also just announced the 1D, so for under $1000 you can turn any mixer into the same amount of controls as a 3D, and be able to take them with you to a gig without lugging something as big as the 3D. I don't think it's such a bad product.
Also, take a look at the Evolution controller:
1. It has tons of faders. That's nice, but are you REALLY going to be playing 8 clips at once? Ouch.
2. There are no buttons association which each channel grouping (fader/3 knobs). That means your clip controls have to be somewhere else, which isn't intuitive.
I'm not saying it's not a bad product, but you can't just look at a controller and count how many midi controls it has. |
comparing the two to A&H and Behringer makes no sense. A&H has superior sound quality, and Behringer's controls suck.
Behringer is a piece of , the Evolution is a great piece of kit. Alex Under controls his entire liveshow with just one. A&H's MIDI functionality has NOTHING superior. the soundcard, well, that is a plus i have to admit. the clock sucks on the 3D (i know, because i have used one) so that's not that much of a plus. the nudge perhaps, but you'd be better off beatmatching by ear as close as you can, and then pitch bending your "turntable" track.
i'm not saying Evo is the only way to go, but i still think the 2D is a waste of money. |
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| Ryan0751 |
I was more comparing the Evo with a behringer. The problem with all these cheap controllers is just that, they feel like . I have a trigger finger, I've done some ableton mixes on it. I've played with the Evo before. It's decent, but it's still all plastic and I don't care for the knobs.
With the A+H, you are paying for high quality faders and controls. They won't wear out, they feel nice, and they are laid out in a nice manner. If you aren't willing to pay for quality like that, then fine. I am.
I paid for quality with my Xone 92, and I'll probably pay for a 2D as well.
Most likely I'm going to use it with Torq most of the time, or use ableton as an effects loop/sampler.
I don't see why you feel it's such a waste of money... it's not THAT expensive.
You'll pay $200 for an Evo, and another $300 for a sound card. You wouldn't pay another $150 to get an A+H piece of kit?
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
comparing the two to A&H and Behringer makes no sense. A&H has superior sound quality, and Behringer's controls suck.
Behringer is a piece of , the Evolution is a great piece of kit. Alex Under controls his entire liveshow with just one. A&H's MIDI functionality has NOTHING superior. the soundcard, well, that is a plus i have to admit. the clock sucks on the 3D (i know, because i have used one) so that's not that much of a plus. the nudge perhaps, but you'd be better off beatmatching by ear as close as you can, and then pitch bending your "turntable" track.
i'm not saying Evo is the only way to go, but i still think the 2D is a waste of money. |
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| ThaMaestro |
| what's so special about this Monodeck II mixer? i can see its very special, but im not into this stuff so much, and was just wondering why people here even give their kidney for this mixer :p;) |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
1. It has tons of faders. That's nice, but are you REALLY going to be playing 8 clips at once? Ouch. |
This is why I think that most, if not all discussions/debates/etc. about "which mixer is the better choice" are pointless. One style of mixer is going to be far more suitable for one style of music than another mixer is. For example, the DJM series is suited more for Trance and your typical House and quicker transitions. Gear such as the Xone series is more suitable for Tech House, Techno and other genres where longer, more drawn out and incredibly focused transitions are common. Such is the case here.
The 2D doesn't have that many faders and is suitable for the average person "spinning" only two or three audio sources at the same time. For doing a live show or if you're a DJ spinning something along the lines of Minimal and incorporating four, five, six or more audio sources simultaneously then yeah, the Evolution comes in handy.
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
You'll pay $200 for an Evo, and another $300 for a sound card. You wouldn't pay another $150 to get an A+H piece of kit? |
Sure. The extra faders on the Evolution would leave room for creativity for me, and could also double as a handy feature when it comes to producing. The 2D, not so much,. More for less, in my opinion. I'm also not going to spend an extra $100+ just because it's by Allen & Heath. But that's just me. |
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| Ryan0751 |
The Xones are more suited for Tech House or Techno? I've never heard such a claim.
And by stating I would pay $150 more for A+H, I could care less if they or anyone else makes it. But they seem to be the only company making a MIDI controller that doesn't use cheap plastic knobs and faders and I think that's worth something.
So did Sasha, which is why he went out and had a controller built for him. Like I said, mixing on most MIDI controllers feels like mixing on the cheapest mixer you can buy.
Yeah the 2D misses the mark for some, but I think it'll be enough for me and if it isn't I can add the 1D onto my setup when it becomes available.
If the Evo or anything else works for your setup than by all means use it.
But to call the 2D "useless" is ridiculous.
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
This is why I think that most, if not all discussions/debates/etc. about "which mixer is the better choice" are pointless. One style of mixer is going to be far more suitable for one style of music than another mixer is. For example, the DJM series is suited more for Trance and your typical House and quicker transitions. Gear such as the Xone series is more suitable for Tech House, Techno and other genres where longer, more drawn out and incredibly focused transitions are common. Such is the case here.
The 2D doesn't have that many faders and is suitable for the average person "spinning" only two or three audio sources at the same time. For doing a live show or if you're a DJ spinning something along the lines of Minimal and incorporating four, five, six or more audio sources simultaneously then yeah, the Evolution comes in handy.
Sure. The extra faders on the Evolution would leave room for creativity for me, and could also double as a handy feature when it comes to producing. The 2D, not so much,. More for less, in my opinion. I'm also not going to spend an extra $100+ just because it's by Allen & Heath. But that's just me. |
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| Inertia |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
I was more comparing the Evo with a behringer. The problem with all these cheap controllers is just that, they feel like . I have a trigger finger, I've done some ableton mixes on it. I've played with the Evo before. It's decent, but it's still all plastic and I don't care for the knobs.
With the A+H, you are paying for high quality faders and controls. They won't wear out, they feel nice, and they are laid out in a nice manner. If you aren't willing to pay for quality like that, then fine. I am.
I paid for quality with my Xone 92, and I'll probably pay for a 2D as well.
Most likely I'm going to use it with Torq most of the time, or use ableton as an effects loop/sampler.
I don't see why you feel it's such a waste of money... it's not THAT expensive.
You'll pay $200 for an Evo, and another $300 for a sound card. You wouldn't pay another $150 to get an A+H piece of kit? |
dude. don't give me that. a XONE vs DJX discussion, it's not just how many functions, it's sound quality, durability, etc etc etc.
MIDI controllers don't work the same way. they are just boxes with wires inside, that give out a digital value for a program to do the rest. MIDI controllers do nothing internally, other than supply data to their hosts. they don't process your sound.
in other words, any controller with the same functions as a 2D and is decently built will do just as good as a 2D, even if the 2D is A&H and you built the other one yourself.
if i buy an Evo for $200US, and a firewire soundcard for my PC, i have 2 seperate pieces of kit. i don't NEED to use the soundcard with the controller if i don't want to. not to mention, frickin' A&H hasn't stepped up and made their cards firewire, only USB. |
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