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Should I buy Pioneer CDJ1000's? (pg. 4)
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by finnyarmstrong
I have a 800mk2 and a 1000mk3 this is what i suggest you get then you have the best of both. You have the tricks to use from both of them and the finer pitch. 0.05 on the 800 and 0.02/0.05 on the 1000. Also if not using mp3 then I would get the 800mk1 and the 1000mk2(of ebay) and save more money. |
When you say 'the best of both', what does the 800mk2 do that the 1000mk3 can't?
I know it has auto loops - but these are pretty useless IMO |
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| finnyarmstrong |
| save him money |
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| Ryan0751 |
It really bugs me that the 1000's are so damn expensive. And they don't hold their value THAT well. It's not like these units last 20 years like Technics do. All the ones I've seen in clubs for 3-4 years are showing some serious wear.
I've had my CDJ-1000 MK2's for about 2 years now, still working great... but lets say I wanted MK3's...
The MK2's are now going for around $600-$650 on ebay used. So it would cost me nearly $1000 to upgrade both decks. I would gain: MP3 capability (useless unless your a mobile DJ IMO), a silver pitch slider, slightly higher resolution LCD display, storable loops on hot cue buttons (but of course you can never make perfect loops on 1000's anyway), and knob to adjust platter tension (I don't scratch)?
That seems like a lot of money. Considering how the digital DJ world is changing so quickly, are you prepared to have a $2200 investment be nearly worthless in 5 years? Certainly I hope they still work (WHY doesn't Pioneer offer a 3 year warrantly for a $1200 CD deck is beyond me), but they may become irrellevant and at that point you won't be able to get much for them.
CDJ-800MK2's offer you nearly all the same feature of the 1000 (and you can certainly rock any room with them), at nearly half the price. I'd say go for them. |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
It really bugs me that the 1000's are so damn expensive. And they don't hold their value THAT well. It's not like these units last 20 years like Technics do. All the ones I've seen in clubs for 3-4 years are showing some serious wear.
I've had my CDJ-1000 MK2's for about 2 years now, still working great... but lets say I wanted MK3's...
The MK2's are now going for around $600-$650 on ebay used. So it would cost me nearly $1000 to upgrade both decks. I would gain: MP3 capability (useless unless your a mobile DJ IMO), a silver pitch slider, slightly higher resolution LCD display, storable loops on hot cue buttons (but of course you can never make perfect loops on 1000's anyway), and knob to adjust platter tension (I don't scratch)?
That seems like a lot of money. Considering how the digital DJ world is changing so quickly, are you prepared to have a $2200 investment be nearly worthless in 5 years? Certainly I hope they still work (WHY doesn't Pioneer offer a 3 year warrantly for a $1200 CD deck is beyond me), but they may become irrellevant and at that point you won't be able to get much for them.
CDJ-800MK2's offer you nearly all the same feature of the 1000 (and you can certainly rock any room with them), at nearly half the price. I'd say go for them. |
I hear what you're saying but I don't think that anyone (including Pioneer) expects you to upgrade from mk2's to mk3's. The mk3's are just there for people who haven't got any CDJ's yet and can afford them.
But yes, it is shocking that we only get a 1 year warranty on something that costs £750 (that's what I paid 18 months ago anyway). |
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| Ryan0751 |
Yeah I guess I realize they don't expect me to upgrade. It's just made me look hard at the economics of the whole thing :)
I can't believe they actually RAISED the price with the MK3. They should have kept it the same. But people pay it...
Time for Denon to step up an release something that's truly innovative and non-buggy.
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
I hear what you're saying but I don't think that anyone (including Pioneer) expects you to upgrade from mk2's to mk3's. The mk3's are just there for people who haven't got any CDJ's yet and can afford them.
But yes, it is shocking that we only get a 1 year warranty on something that costs £750 (that's what I paid 18 months ago anyway). |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
I can't believe they actually RAISED the price with the MK3. They should have kept it the same. But people pay it...
Time for Denon to step up an release something that's truly innovative and non-buggy. |
It is crazy that they raised the price of the mk3 just cause it's new - they do have a monopoly on the CDJ market though, which is annoying.
Look at the gaming console market - I bought an Xbox back 2002 for £300, then I bought the Xbox 360 in 2005 for £280 and it is easily 10 times better with so many new features you can't name them all on here.
But then Pioneer release the mk2 but with about 3 slightly enhanced (not new) features, call it the mk3 and then raise the price - CRAZY!! |
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| sleepydragon |
| pioneer dont have any real competition thats the problem if denon pulled their finger out their arses and released a serious deck which they can they were well on their way there with the 3500 then pioneer would be forced to drop their prices a little. |
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| Ryan0751 |
The 3500 easily beats out the 1000 in features... the only problem with the Denon is:
1. It was released with buggy firmware.
2. Some of the layout and features are complicated to use.
3. Simple mixing on the decks is not as responsive and straightforward as with the CDJ's.
Maybe their successor to the 5000 will correct some of these issues. A simple design, and with a nice price.
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
pioneer dont have any real competition thats the problem if denon pulled their finger out their arses and released a serious deck which they can they were well on their way there with the 3500 then pioneer would be forced to drop their prices a little. |
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| starboy |
| or you can do what i did and find some hardly used 1000 mkl's for 550 a piece! |
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| SPAWNmaster |
| the quick return function on the 800mk2 pwns the hell out of the 1000's in my opinion |
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| Ryan0751 |
What is the difference exactly?
Doesn't the 1000 do that too, if it's cued, you can scratch and when you let go it returns to the cue point?
| quote: | Originally posted by SPAWNmaster
the quick return function on the 800mk2 pwns the hell out of the 1000's in my opinion |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by SPAWNmaster
the quick return function on the 800mk2 pwns the hell out of the 1000's in my opinion |
What is Quick Return then? |
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