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Are Dj's Musicians? (pg. 4)
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| extacy_bomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
agreed! even producers aren't necessarily musicians. If the extent of the song a producer makes is playing 3 notes on a midi controller to get some crazy synth sound, i think it'd be loose to classify him or her as a musician.
As one of the previous comments about a girl playing a flute is a musician, well no, they're learning. A musician is someone who has mastered (to some degree) an instrument that they play (for a very vague classification, i'd say being at least at grade 8 ROM level in piano could give you the 'musician' status. but of course there are many expections to that, as not everyone goes the testing route. (and for other instruments, the skill level can be fairly high by grade 5-6 even) |
Very true.
Some valid points have been made here.
Although there are some Djs who are also strong musicians but beeing a Dj in particular can't make one a musician.
Aside from that I catogorise a strong Dj set as a work of art. Since it can put someone in a certain jounrey which wouldn't happen if one only listened to the same song individualy.
As a matter of fact most Djs know where they stand and don clame themselves as musicains. They know what their occuipation and profession is and they're fine with it. |
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| lol internet |
| quote: | Originally posted by geroin
no a dj is not a musician unless he/she produces music imo |
im jumping on this bandwagon. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by me@t k@tie
A DJ plays music. A musician is basically defined as one who plays or composes music. |
I push play on my CD player so that makes me a musician?
A DJ is someone who plays records and is there to entertain us. They are more of an entertainer then they are anything else....I would put them at the same level as the clowns that get out of the small fire truck at the circus. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| a musician makes music, DJs simply play music someone else has made. Granted there is some skill involved in reading the crowd, mixing, etc. but they don't actually create anything other then atmosphere. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by activate
who ing cares... shut up dance |
I have to agree
though anyone who is brought in to a club to provide, through whatever means, music for people to dance to should be considered a musician!
Who is to say the defintion of the word musician cannot or has not been expanded to incorporate people like DJs, producers, people who do live PAs? |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I push play on my CD player so that makes me a musician? |
Pfft. All Mozart did was sit there and arrange piano notes in a harmonic manner. My 5 year-old niece can do that. so Mozart's not a musician. :rolleyes:
My point is, you can knock down anyone's musical efforts down to 0 without any problems. Putting someone down is easy. If you think all a DJ does is push play on a CD player, then I guess all Mozart did is push keys on a piano. Big whoop, right?
I think a musician is anyone who creates or manipulates music, in any and every possible way. So when a DJ feeds another bassline into a track, has the two tracks play in harmony with each other, and then brings the first track back as flawlessly as he cut it out, that's making music. It's taking two things, and making something new out of them. It really doesn't matter to me that he didn't make each of the things from scratch.
Also, since there is skill involved in being able to properly DJ, that also attributes to the DJ being a musician since it requires skill, and an ear for music.
So yeah, a DJ is definitely a musician. A modern musician, but a musician nevertheless.
Lastly, I don't think you don't really appreciate music if in your assessment of it, you're focusing on the means through which it was created instead of the end result. The end result IS music, how you get there is entirely up to the musician, and quite frankly, doesn't really matter.
P.S. It goes without saying that producers are musicians. If you're going to deny someone their musical ability simply because they're using electronic means to create music, you deserve to be cock-slapped across the face. |
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| Porky |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Pfft. All Mozart did was sit there and arrange piano notes in a harmonic manner. My 5 year-old niece can do that. so Mozart's not a musician. :rolleyes:
My point is, you can knock down anyone's musical efforts down to 0 without any problems. Putting someone down is easy. If you think all a DJ does is push play on a CD player, then I guess all Mozart did is push keys on a piano. Big whoop, right?
I think a musician is anyone who creates or manipulates music, in any and every possible way. So when a DJ feeds another bassline into a track, has the two tracks play in harmony with each other, and then brings the first track back as flawlessly as he cut it out, that's making music. It's taking two things, and making something new out of them. It really doesn't matter to me that he didn't make each of the things from scratch.
Also, since there is skill involved in being able to properly DJ, that also attributes to the DJ being a musician since it requires skill, and an ear for music.
So yeah, a DJ is definitely a musician. A modern musician, but a musician nevertheless.
Lastly, I don't think you don't really appreciate music if in your assessment of it, you're focusing on the means through which it was created instead of the end result. The end result IS music, how you get there is entirely up to the musician, and quite frankly, doesn't really matter.
P.S. It goes without saying that producers are musicians. If you're going to deny someone their musical ability simply because they're using electronic means to create music, you deserve to be cock-slapped across the face. |
there's a HUGE difference in musical ability of being able to mix songs seamlessly.. than compared to writing a piano concerto.
it's like comparing a 10yr old junior varsity basketball player to michael jordan |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Porky
there's a HUGE difference in musical ability of being able to mix songs seamlessly.. than compared to writing a piano concerto.
it's like comparing a 10yr old junior varsity basketball player to michael jordan |
So what made you the authoritative body on deciding what takes enough musical ability to be a musician, and what doesn't? I'm not saying they're the same thing. I'm saying the people who practise both are musicians. Just like both the varsity player and Michael Jordan are both basketball players. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| some are, some aren't. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| and the agruement that some of you are using saying because a DJ plays someone else's music means he is not a musician, what do you guys think the symphony does? plays some old guy's music back to you. it's not like beethoven is there playing it for you. and please, you can't tell me that the TSO's conductor and symphony are not musicians. even choirs singing songs are someone elses songs! a musical? someone elses songs again! |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
and the agruement that some of you are using saying because a DJ plays someone else's music means he is not a musician, what do you guys think the symphony does? plays some old guy's music back to you. it's not like beethoven is there playing it for you. and please, you can't tell me that the TSO's conductor and symphony are not musicians. even choirs singing songs are someone elses songs! a musical? someone elses songs again! |
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| extacy_bomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
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That's just an opinion.
But look, no one's taking credit away from DJs here. We're all discussing on the usage of the term "musician" that if it can include DJs or not. We can call someone who can mix two tracks harmonically and puts it back flawlessly a musician or any other term.
It neither adds nor takes any credit away from the effort and the work of art that they're providing for the audience. |
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