Originally posted by Theresa
Beastie boys = group
Vanilla ice = single artist
That's why they aren't to be compared. I was referring specifically to an individual artist. However, I will agree that if you were to compare them simply because, Beastie Boys would win. They are awesometastic.
P.S. Marc, in the early 90's rap really wasn't anything other than a bizarre hybrid of pop and something else anyway.
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Originally posted by Theresa
He set the bar with the white rapping community imo.
i think solo and group acts can be included in that "community" though, wouldn't you say?
and to even consider him a "single" artist when he sampled another artist is pretty laughable as well.
Also - I can't believe I missed this thread until now. Wow.
This might be a new low for humanity.
Omega_Blue
honestly theresa i don't know why you're trying to defend vanilla ice, it's pretty much well known that he's a douchebag. not just for sampling other artists (as sampling is common now). the whole "i'm hard from the streets but i wear floppy windbreaker pants and a suit-jacket and shave designs in the back of my faux-hawk" while in reality he was just another middle-class whiteboy is laughable. he's like MC hammer pretty much.
no one in the rap community took him seriously for a reason.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Theresa
If I am not mistaken, rap initially came from chants of African tribes... yes?
That's what I meant by 'something worthwhile to talk and sing about'.
Most mainstream, contemporary rap music is just fluffy, ty fantasy...'gangsters' brag about their money and their acquisitions and most people like it because it's a nice thing to fantasize about, I think. Most people who aren't idiots know that it's pretty much just an act and, although a rap artist may brag about how women are whores and how he's been shot int he face 9 times in his life, they still go home each day to a wife and kids and probably go to their mom's house for a bbq every now and then.
I guess rap in Africa is greatly influenced by American contemporary rap music (not surprising, as it's really influencing cultures all around the world, especially in young people), but people there still chant and sing about how hard their life is as a fisherman - which is really the 'truth' behind rap music if you ask me - not some white guy talking about how hard his life in the suburbs was because they couldn't afford cable tv. Maybe I am just exaggerating, because I really don't know Vanilla Ice personally or anything, but it seems to me that, as with most mainstream music, it's but a dim shadow of its former self because people are really just trying to make a quick buck...not actually say anything worth saying.
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Something like that was going to be Americanized to appease the masses, and to be fair, it was not Vanilla Ice himself that chose to cheesify the music.
Definitely agree with ya there.
Theresa
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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
That's what I meant by 'something worthwhile to talk and sing about'.
Most mainstream, contemporary rap music is just fluffy, ty fantasy...'gangsters' brag about their money and their acquisitions and most people like it because it's a nice thing to fantasize about, I think. Most people who aren't idiots know that it's pretty much just an act and, although a rap artist may brag about how women are whores and how he's been shot int he face 9 times in his life, they still go home each day to a wife and kids and probably go to their mom's house for a bbq every now and then.
I guess rap in Africa is greatly influenced by American contemporary rap music (not surprising, as it's really influencing cultures all around the world, especially in young people), but people there still chant and sing about how hard their life is as a fisherman - which is really the 'truth' behind rap music if you ask me - not some white guy talking about how hard his life in the suburbs was because they couldn't afford cable tv. Maybe I am just exaggerating, because I really don't know Vanilla Ice personally or anything, but it seems to me that, as with most mainstream music, it's but a dim shadow of its former self because people are really just trying to make a quick buck...not actually say anything worth saying.
Definitely agree with ya there.
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What I am trying to say is that Artists like Vanilla Ice laid the pathway, whether that be low in quality or not, for the way rap developed. I will agree with you that he isn't the epitomy of great music artist (even he knows that), but he did make an impression on the rap scene, and I think that set a trend on how it grew from there.
Omega_Blue
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Originally posted by Theresa
+1
What I am trying to say is that Artists like Vanilla Ice laid the pathway, whether that be low in quality or not, for the way rap developed. I will agree with you that he isn't the epitomy of great music artist (even he knows that), but he did make an impression on the rap scene, and I think that set a trend on how it grew from there.
perhaps showing future MCs what NOT to do in the music industry. that's about it though.
Marc Summers
Underground hip hop > All
I just like mainstream hip hop just to poke fun at it, which is why I make threads about them.
RJT
Jesus Christ. This is too good. :stongue:
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by Lira
Pfft. This is the real deal:
:)
RJT
:stongue:
Silky Johnson
I don't think anyone in their right mind in the Hip Hop industry would say that Vanilla Ice did ANYthing of good for hip hop/rap, lol.
