#1, as theresa is arguing, i believe that, unfortunately, vanilla ice did play a small part in bringing hip-hop to the mainstream. i know for a fact if i hadn't had a copy of castles in the sky i got off napster way back in the day i never would've sought out better forms of trance, and thus found this site, much in the same way that while vanilla ice was ty as , he helped to expose the masses to hip-hop
#2, as everyone else (lol) is arguing, hip-hop had sown its seeds in the mainstream before vanilla ice, no doubt about that. how else do you think a middle class white kid from the burbs heard about hip-hop in the first place?
vanilla ice hit it big with ice ice baby in 1991. grandmaster flash's 'the message' came out in 1982, sugarhill gang had rappers delight in 1979, nwa's straight outta compton was released in 1988, hell fresh prince debuted in 1990. hip-hop was well into the black mainstream, but artists like vanilla ice and house of pain made it more commercially viable and accessable to the white masses.
psycho_smurf
The only thing vaniela ice brought in was bad hair cuts.
mezzir
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Originally posted by RJT
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aw
that'd mash up in perfectly with john mayer - waiting on the world to change
1 dope song + 1 ty song = 1 mediocre but kinda cool song :)
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Omega_Blue
perhaps showing future MCs what NOT to do in the music industry. that's about it though.
I dunno... things haven't exactly gone 'uphill' since then. >.>
Scottaculous
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Originally posted by Theresa
+1
What I am trying to say is that Artists like Vanilla Ice laid the pathway, whether that be low in quality or not, for the way rap developed. I will agree with you that he isn't the epitomy of great music artist (even he knows that), but he did make an impression on the rap scene, and I think that set a trend on how it grew from there.
The only trend Vanilla Ice started was what not to do if one wants to be taken seriously.
RapidFire
the realest white mc;
rob birch
Sand Leaper
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It's a true story that Video Killed the Radio Star because music should not be about image. Music should be about the music! I learned the hard way. The new Vanilla Ice is exactly that; no image, no polished made up gimmicks created by record companies. I will never be a puppet for the industry again. From this point on I will keep it real. That's why I didn't change the name. It doesn't mean anything; it's only a label. It's not important, plus I am not running from anything or trying to hide. I want people to know that I face my adversaries. Don't get me wrong, though I love Ice Ice Baby, I just can't stand the image that was created for me at that time. Even though it worked and we sold 17 million records, I was treated like a puppet just to make a Hip Hop artist look like a novelty act. I was not designed to be that. I was turned into that by making my image more acceptable to a younger audience, but to tell the difference just listen to the music. It's Hip Hop not Pop like all the other novelty acts.
There you go, straight from the horse's mouth. The only thing Ice set the bar for was how hip hop could be exploited as a gimmick, and how to make it easily digestible and watered down enough to jack the planet's white population for its hard earned cash. To call him a "rap icon" based on this is outrageous.
The only white rapper to ever have achieved an icon-like status is, surprise surprise, this guy:
Unsurprisingly, Ice is now making those hideous nu metal/rap hybrids that cater to the teen angst Korn/Slipknot-massive. Ross Robinson must've had a death wish.
Theresa
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Originally posted by mezzir
k i got pieces from both sides here
#1, as theresa is arguing, i believe that, unfortunately, vanilla ice did play a small part in bringing hip-hop to the mainstream. i know for a fact if i hadn't had a copy of castles in the sky i got off napster way back in the day i never would've sought out better forms of trance, and thus found this site, much in the same way that while vanilla ice was ty as , he helped to expose the masses to hip-hop
#2, as everyone else (lol) is arguing, hip-hop had sown its seeds in the mainstream before vanilla ice, no doubt about that. how else do you think a middle class white kid from the burbs heard about hip-hop in the first place?
vanilla ice hit it big with ice ice baby in 1991. grandmaster flash's 'the message' came out in 1982, sugarhill gang had rappers delight in 1979, nwa's straight outta compton was released in 1988, hell fresh prince debuted in 1990. hip-hop was well into the black mainstream, but artists like vanilla ice and house of pain made it more commercially viable and accessable to the white masses.
Thank you... you said it better than I apparently could.
Ripped Bag
I hate hip-hop
Lira
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Pfft. This is the real deal:
:)
Pfft. This is being under pressure:
Keep banging on the walls! :D
Scottaculous
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Originally posted by Theresa
I saw something several years ago with him in it, and he was so ashamed of his "15 minutes of fame". He went to a karaoke bar with some people, and his song came on, and they were cheering him on, but he wanted nothing to do with it.
He felt like he made himself look like an idiot. "One hit wonder". The sad part is, for our generation, he is a fricken legend. He set the bar with the white rapping community imo.
After reviewing this post again, seems like Theresa is prouder of Vanilla Ice's achievements than Vanilla Ice.
