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Lebanese troops bombard Palestinian Refugee Camp
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| Marc Summers |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18777683/
| quote: | TRIPOLI, Lebanon - Lebanese army artillery shelled a Palestinian refugee camp where a shadowy group suspected of ties to al-Qaida was holed up Monday, pounding militant hideouts for a second day in the worst eruption of violence since the end of the 1975-90 civil war.
The official death toll from Sunday�s violence climbed to near 50, but it was not known how many civilians have been killed inside the Nahr el-Bared camp on the outskirts of the northern port city of Tripoli, the scene of the heaviest fighting.
No new deaths were reported Monday outside the camp, but it was not known whether civilians or militants were killed inside the camp during heavy shelling because emergency workers and security officials have not been able to get in.
Lebanese officials said one of the men killed Sunday, Saddam, El-Hajdib, was a suspect in a failed German train bombing � another indication the camp had become a refuge for Fatah Islam militants planning attacks outside of Lebanon. In the past, others affiliated with the group in the camp have said they were aiming to send trained fighters into Iraq and the group�s leader has been linked to al-Qaida in Iraq.
Hundreds of Lebanese army troops, backed by tanks and armored carriers, surrounded the refugee camp Monday. M-48 battle tanks unleashed their cannon fire on the camp, sending orange flames followed by dense black plumes of smoke. The militants fired mortars toward the troops at daybreak.
An army officer at the front line said troops directed concentrated fire at buildings known to house militants in the camp. He said troops also had orders to strike hard at any target that directed fire back at them.
�Everything we know that they were present in has been targeted,� he told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.
Fatah Islam threatens wider fight
A spokesman for Fatah Islam, Abu Salim, warned that if the army bombardment did not stop, the militants would step up attacks by rockets and artillery �and would take the battle outside Tripoli.�
He did not elaborate on the threat, holding authorities responsible for the consequences.
�It is a life-or-death battle. Their aim is to wipe out Fatah Islam. We will respond and we know how to respond,� he told the AP.
Earlier in the day, another refugee camp, Ein el-Hilweh in southern Lebanon, was tense after Lebanese troops surrounded it and armed militants went on alert.
Civilian toll unknown
At least 27 soldiers and 20 militants were killed Sunday, Lebanese security officials said. But they did not know how many civilians had been killed in the camp because it is off-limits to their authority.
Lebanon says it has no authority to enter the camps under understandings with the Palestinians that give the PLO the authority in the camps. But Lebanon also is believed to be leery of entering for fear that any such actions would cause widespread unrest, be very costly and could spark pan-Arab sympathy for the Palestinian refugees that would trigger a backlash against the country.
There were conflicting reports Monday about the arrangement of a truce that medical officials on the camp�s edge said would allow the distribution of food and supplies and the evacuation of the wounded. Army officials said there was no cease-fire in place yet, but Hamas� Lebanon representative, Osama Hamdan, said an agreement was reached.
Police raid starts fighting
The clashes were triggered when police raided suspected Fatah Islam hideouts in several buildings in Tripoli, searching for men wanted in a recent bank robbery. A gunbattle erupted at one of the buildings between the group�s fighters, and troops were called in to help the police.
Militants then burst out of the nearby refugee camp, seizing Lebanese army positions, capturing two armored vehicles and ambushing troops. Lebanese troops later laid siege to the refugee camp where Fatah Islam militants were believed to be hiding, unleashing fire from tanks, artillery and heavy machine guns.
It was unclear whether Lebanese authorities had known El-Hajdib�s whereabouts, or the whereabouts of the group�s leader, a Palestinian named Shaker al-Absi, before the gunbattle first broke out in Tripoli.
Al-Absi, wanted in three countries, told The New York Times in March that he was trying to spread al-Qaida�s ideology and was training fighters inside the camp for attacks on other countries.
He would not specify which countries but expressed anger toward the United States. And he was sentenced to death earlier in absentia along with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq killed last summer by U.S. forces in Iraq, for the 2002 assassination of an American diplomat in Jordan.
Al-Absi had been in custody in Syria until last fall but was released and set up his group in the camp, where he apparently found recruits, Lebanese officials said.
Group decried as �imitation al-Qaida�
Lebanon�s national police commander, Maj. Gen. Ashraf Rifi, said Damascus was using the Fatah Islam group as a covert way to wreak havoc in the country. He denied Fatah Islam�s al-Qaida links, saying it was a Syrian-bred group.
�Perhaps there are some deluded people among them but they are not al-Qaida. This is imitation al-Qaida, a �Made in Syria� one,� he told the AP.
Lebanese security officials said Fatah Islam has up to 100 members who come from Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia and Syria, as well as local sympathizers who belong to the conservative Salafi branch of Islam.
The Lebanese Broadcasting Corp. TV station reported the dead militants included men from Bangladesh, Yemen and other Arab countries. Some of those killed were wearing explosive belts, security officials said.
Ahmed Methqal, a Muslim cleric in the camp, told Al-Jazeera that five civilians had been killed.
�You can say there is a massacre going on in the camp of children and women who have nothing to do with Fatah Islam,� he said. �They are targeting buildings, with people in them. What�s the guilt of children, women and the elderly?�
He said sniper fire had confined the camp�s 30,000 residents to their houses.
Struggle with insurgents
Lebanon has struggled to defeat armed groups that control pockets of the country � especially inside the 12 Palestinian refugee camps housing 350,000 people, which Lebanese authorities can�t enter.
Some camps have become havens for Islamic militants accused of carrying out attacks in the country and of sending recruits to fight U.S.-led coalition forces in Iraq.
Palestinian officials in the West Bank sought to distance themselves from Fatah Islam and urged Palestinian refugees in the camp to isolate the militant group.
Palestinian officials who met Monday with Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora said he was focused on saving lives and left it to him to decide whether to send the army into the camp.
�Entering the camp does not mean it will be easy to get rid of this (Fatah Islam) phenomenon,� PLO representative Abbas Zaki warned.
Lebanese Sunni political and religious leaders backed the army and the government.
Lebanon was already in the midst of its worst political crisis between the Western-backed government and Hezbollah-led opposition since the end of the civil war. Saniora said Sunday the fighting was a �dangerous attempt at hitting Lebanese security.�
Late Sunday, an explosion across the street from a busy shopping mall in the Christian sector of Beirut killed a 63-year-old woman and injured 12 other people, police said.
Beirut and its suburbs have seen a series of blasts in the last two years, many targeting Christian areas. Authorities blamed Fatah Islam for Feb. 13 bombings of commuter buses that killed three, but the group denied involvement.
Syria has denied involvement in any of the bombings. |
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| Marc Summers |
Kind of ridiculous how cable news networks are praising Lebanon for this, after they were trying to connect every "Terrorist nation" for aiding hezbollah last year during their conflict with israel.
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| George Smiley |
I'd be careful not to describe this group as Palestinian (before the pro-Israelis begin running amok in this thread screaming about what the Palestinians are like!)
The PLO commander of their forces in Lebanon (and all the other major Palestinian factions in Lebanon) have distanced themselves from this group, claiming that on 3% of the group are actually Palestinian. Apparently this group only surfaced last year sometime and looks likely to be a Syrian proxy force, claiming to act on behalf of the Palestinians with it's real agenda being an attempt to derail Lebanese politics at this crucial time for the country, thereby deflecting attention (and preventing) the international enquiry into Rafik Hariri's assassination. The Palestinian groups have so far kept out of the current political crisis that has taken over Lebanon since Mr Hariri's death, and for good reason too. Palestinian involvement in Lebanon contributed greatly to the break out of civil war in the 70s and nobody (least of al the Palestinians) want that - apart from Syria maybe, who used the last conflict to exert control over the nation they consider to be historically part of Greater Syria... |
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| LazFX |
| I blame the West and the Jews....... Its all their and always their fault!! |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I'd be careful not to describe this group as Palestinian (before the pro-Israelis begin running amok in this thread screaming about what the Palestinians are like!)
The PLO commander of their forces in Lebanon (and all the other major Palestinian factions in Lebanon) have distanced themselves from this group, claiming that on 3% of the group are actually Palestinian. Apparently this group only surfaced last year sometime and looks likely to be a Syrian proxy force, claiming to act on behalf of the Palestinians with it's real agenda being an attempt to derail Lebanese politics at this crucial time for the country, thereby deflecting attention (and preventing) the international enquiry into Rafik Hariri's assassination. The Palestinian groups have so far kept out of the current political crisis that has taken over Lebanon since Mr Hariri's death, and for good reason too. Palestinian involvement in Lebanon contributed greatly to the break out of civil war in the 70s and nobody (least of al the Palestinians) want that - apart from Syria maybe, who used the last conflict to exert control over the nation they consider to be historically part of Greater Syria... |
Who said anything about Palestinians? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Who said anything about Palestinians? |
Sorry that wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the usual types on here (and elsewhere you may read comment on this) who would use this as a smear against the Palestinian - ie "look at the trouble they are causing in Lebanon (again)" etc, when it would be wrong (apparantly) to use the actions of Fatah al-Islam as a smear against Palestinians in Lebanon |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
when it would be wrong (apparantly) to use the actions of Fatah al-Islam as a smear against Palestinians in Lebanon |
i think the way the Lebanese have treated the Palestinians speaks volumes about how they are treated by the Arab world in general. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i think the way the Lebanese have treated the Palestinians speaks volumes about how they are treated by the Arab world in general. |
+1
its just not the big ol bad jews.....is it?? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
+1
its just not the big ol bad jews.....is it?? |
No it's the Christians as well that like to the Palestinians over ;) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i think the way the Lebanese have treated the Palestinians speaks volumes about how they are treated by the Arab world in general. |
Yep, they get ed in the arse everywhere they end up. They are not wanted anywhere in the Arab world. No excuses for that (especially for a bunch of states that so often uses the plight of the Palestinians for their own political ends) but we shouldn't forget why they are there in the first place...
Again, there are arguements that would criticise the Palestinians and the Israelis but Lebanon never asked for them to come, and when they were forced to move their by the Israelis the Christians felt threatened that they would become a minority and they began fighting with each other - this dragged in the other religious groups, along with Syria and Israel and everything went up... |
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| M.Johan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i think the way the Lebanese have treated the Palestinians speaks volumes about how they are treated by the Arab world in general. |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Yep, they get ed in the arse everywhere they end up. They are not wanted anywhere in the Arab world. No excuses for that (especially for a bunch of states that so often uses the plight of the Palestinians for their own political ends) but we shouldn't forget why they are there in the first place... |
Who has said that?
| quote: | | Again, there are arguements that would criticise the Palestinians and the Israelis but Lebanon never asked for them to come, and when they were forced to move their by the Israelis the Christians felt threatened that they would become a minority and they began fighting with each other - this dragged in the other religious groups, along with Syria and Israel and everything went up... |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
its just not the big ol bad jews.....is it?? |
More than 700,000(seven hundred thousands)palastenine refugees
have been forced by the Israeli occupation to leave their land & homes from 1948
"We created terror among the Arabs and all the villages around. In one blow, we changed the strategic situation."
Menachem Begin
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