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Brits Boycott Israeli Universites (pg. 3)
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Yes but Cuba is banned for human rights abuses, torture, etc., etc. where Isreal is not.
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The same certainly can't be said of Isreal on such a scale. |
True, but that is a weak argument. The brits could easily say that they consider what Israel is doing as human right abuses, torture, etc.. By your logic, the ban would then be valid. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by ronk
I told myself never to enter this forum again for it's really time consuming, but I'll make an exception this time.
yeah it is. if these so "righteous" brits weren't anti-semitic, they would boycott the US for their "war crimes" in Iraq (and I didn't forget the british army there too - so maybe they should boycott themselves? :conf: ). or the palestinian universites for the missiles launched into Sderot (and I can make you a list of a lot more countries they should boycott or should have boycotted for war crimes). then their act wouldn't be anti-semitic.
and I wonder if palestinians students who go to Israeli universities will be boycotted too... |
Sadly the consensus is that the US is not comitting war crimes. True, the Brits may not be implementing these measures with as much coherence as we would all like, but then again boycotting US universities is a bit impractical isnt it? Specially considering the special relationship the Brits and the US share. I think the lot of you throw the anti semitic argument around because you dont have a better argument. This measure isn't anti semitic because it is not aimed at Israel because they are jewish (ill obviate the objection raised by Shaolin many times about the misuse of the word semitic), it is aimed at Israel because of they're political stance and military action. If this were just because they were jewish then it would be anti semitic. If you can prove that this measure is aimed at them being jewish and not at their political stance and their military actions, then you could rightly claim that it is anti semitic. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
True, but that is a weak argument. The brits could easily say that they consider what Israel is doing as human right abuses, torture, etc.. By your logic, the ban would then be valid. |
That's a matter of conjecture and not fact, which my argument is. |
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| Jake Benson |
Even if it's not anti-JEW it's still wrong. I can understand boycotting anyone from an Israeli college if they are coming up to talk about pro-Israeli subjects, but nothing else. What exactly are these Brits trying to boycott anyway?
I'll tell y'all somethin: I pretty much hate Palestine's stance, but if some educated Palestinian from some Palestinian college had insight on some important subject unrelated to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I'd be pro-fly the f*cker out and let's hear them talk. Or if some Palestinian wanted to travel to the US to further their education in medicine, I wouldn't deny them just because I think most of them are poor savages who blow themselves up. I'm willing to set my stereotype aside for the sake of knowledge. I think the value of education far outweighs the value of this disgusting war.
If the Brits wanted to boycott Palestinian colleges, I'd still think it would be wrong. I wouldn't say something completely retarded like "Awesome." |
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| spiflicated |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Even if it's not anti-JEW it's still wrong. I can understand boycotting anyone from an Israeli college if they are coming up to talk about pro-Israeli subjects, but nothing else. What exactly are these Brits trying to boycott anyway?
I'll tell y'all somethin: I pretty much hate Palestine's stance, but if some educated Palestinian from some Palestinian college had insight on some important subject unrelated to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I'd be pro-fly the f*cker out and let's hear them talk. Or if some Palestinian wanted to travel to the US to further their education in medicine, I wouldn't deny them just because I think most of them are poor savages who blow themselves up. I'm willing to set my stereotype aside for the sake of knowledge. I think the value of education far outweighs the value of this disgusting war.
If the Brits wanted to boycott Palestinian colleges, I'd still think it would be wrong. I wouldn't say something completely retarded like "Awesome." |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
I wouldn't say something completely retarded like "Awesome." |
*zing* :stongue: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
That's a matter of conjecture and not fact, which my argument is. |
LOL |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Even if it's not anti-JEW it's still wrong. |
The creation of the state of Israel is wrong to begin with as it involves ethnicaly cleansing the indigenous Palestianian population of the region to do it, which uhh... anyone would have to do with out their consent ofcourse. Illegaly military occupation and expansion via annexing Palestinian land (i.e. theft) and building settlements is wrong. Complaining about armed resistance from a small faction of a persecuted and displaced indigenous population from their ancestoral homeland of centuires, regardless of what form it takes, is just downright pathetic, hypocritical, and cowardly. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
The creation of the state of Israel is wrong to begin with as it involves ethnicaly cleansing the indigenous Palestianian population of the region to do it, which uhh... anyone would have to do with out their consent ofcourse. Illegaly military occupation and expansion via annexing Palestinian land (i.e. theft) and building settlements is wrong. Complaining about armed resistance from a small faction of a persecuted and displaced indigenous population from their ancestoral homeland of centuires, regardless of what form it takes, is just downright pathetic, hypocritical, and cowardly. |
Let's pretend what you said is true...so you want to punish college scholars who weren't involved? Maybe I should boycott all Muslims for the ones who blow themselves up, fly planes into buildings, hang men for engaging in homosexual activity, and stone women to death for marrying outside their religion. But I won't boycott all Muslims because I don't think making generalizations to an entire population based on ambiguously rediculous actions by some is logical.
The issue isn't what the Israelis are doing; it's what the Brits are doing to Israelis who aren't necessarily doing anything. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Let's pretend what you said is true... |
It's true. You can stop pretending now, you don't need to. |
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| Yoepus |
Just to put some perspective.
Antisemitism (which means anti-jews, thats just the definition of the term, Arabs, you will have to put up with a new term Islamophobia if you like. Jews didn't make up the term antisemitism, it just is what it is, and its no use fighting against a definition of a word) is overused a lot. Especially when relating to Israel.
However, this would be a good example why it is so overused.
First we must note Israel is a JEWISH NATION. The only one in the world. Therefore if one is Anti-Israel, they must treat the Israeli nation on par to all other nations of the world. If one choses to criticize its crime, it must not neglect the crims of other nations of the world.
However, if one is anti-semitic, he can criticize Israel soley for its existence with no need to compare it to other nations. Israel is a bad nation because it is a Jewish nation. This is where most people fundamentally disagree with Israel: they do not believe in its right to exist as a Jewish state.
Some of this might be an anti-religious stance (although I've never heard those who believe Denmark has no right to exist as a Protestant nation, and Iran has no right to exist as a Muslim nation).
One could argue that they are against the formation of a nation which displaces others: But then again I have heard only muted criticisms of Kosovo's displacement of ethnic Serbs, or the Russians displacement of Muslim Chechens, Turkey's displacement of Kurds, Iran's displacement of Sunnis, Albanian Muslim's displacement of orthodox Albanians, and on and on...
In this regard, the British Academics are very close to being anti-semtic as the columnist identified none of them have boycotted Iranian, North Korean, or Sudanese universities.
Being anti-semitic can be in two regards: both holding up Jews as to a higher standard than the rest of humanity; and putting Jews below that standard of humanity.
edit: grammer corrections |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Just to put some perspective.
Antisemitism (which means anti-jews, thats just the definition of the term, Arabs, you will have to put up with a new term Islamophobia if you like. Jews didn't make up the term antisemitism, it just is what it is, and its no use fighting against a definition of a word) is overused a lot. Especially when relating to Israel.
However, this would be a good example why it is so overused.
First we must note Israel is a JEWISH NATION. The only one in the world. Therefore if one is Anti-Israel, they must treat the Israeli nation on par to all other nations of the world. If one choses to criticize its crime, it must not neglect the crims of other nations of the world.
However, if one is anti-semitic, he can criticize Israel soley for its existence with no need to compare it to other nations. Israel is a bad nation because it is a Jewish nation. This is where most people fundamentally disagree with Israel: they do not believe in its right to exist as a Jewish state.
Some of this might be an anti-religious stance (although I've never heard those who believe Denmark has no right to exist as a Protestant nation, and Iran has no right to exist as Muslim nation).
Once could argue that they are against the formation of a nation which displays others: But then again I have heard only muted criticisms of Kosovo's displacement of ethnic Serbs, or the Russians displacement of Muslim Chechens, Turkey's displacement of Kurds, Iran's displacement of Sunnis, Albanian muslims displacement of orthodox Albanians, and on and on...
In this regard, the British Academics are very close to being anti-semtic as the columnist identified none of them have boycotted Iranian, North Korean, or Sudanese universities.
Being anti-semitic can be in two regards: both holding up Jews as to a higher standard than the rest of humanity; and putting Jews below that standard of humanity. |
Such wisdom and so succinctly put. I couldn't agree more. Alas, these fine words are bound to be lost on such deaf goyim ears. Oh well. Not that we'd expect anything different from these "palestinophiles & hebrewcide supporters". Moving on. |
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