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| Inertia |
still... using a MIDI controller to steer Ableton to just mix your tracks is ing retarded in my opinion.
if you're just going to use Ableton as if it was a normal deck, adding to that that it will be your only source, then you are an uncreative mofo.
if you are going to create a collage of sound, basicaly a liveshow not necessarily fueled by your own music, as in, using loops and samples from other people's tracks, well, that is an evolution of DJing.
IOW, if the beatmatching is no longer an issue, then you better be doing something amazing. just fading from a track to the next makes you a hack IMO. |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah because beatmatching is such an incredible skill. :stongue: |
shut up newb, your a loser who can't beatmatch if ur life depended on it. Your on drugs while u warp tracks on ur little comp. Is that creativity? or loserness? helll i can do that. I guess im an artist now :wtf:
| quote: | Originally posted by jupiterone
Just because you can beatmatch perfectly doesn't mean you're going to affect the crowd in any way to actually enjoy the night they paid for. :stongue:
Ableton does nothing but sync beats. I don't understand this dilemma, people blame everything they possibly can just because it isn't the traditional form of DJ'ing.
It's creativity that comes to terms really with Ableton, you have access to so much more tools than with traditional DJ'ing. You can't stop technology from moving forward, either you move forward or stay behind with something you feel more comfortable with. I believe that's the reason people switch to Ableton and digital in the first place, it's ease of use and options to make the crowd move and enjoy the night. |
It's all done digitally, and plus that kind of technology is wack, letting djs have their tracks warped like late night snacks before their gigs is like a rat in abandoned apartment. Technology improvement in my opion is having 5 hz -70 kHz coded needles with a firewiere interface willing to convert data to 192 kHz. Their you will have a sound greater then any dj that walks the earth. Also a tube pre amp mixer will make your sound 10x warmer with more clarity. Plus regenerated AC power for a full clean sine wave, so no digital distortion whatsoever. And having 4 decks each as its own instrument for percs, bass, leads, and what not. Anything on wax will always sound superior then whats being read on coded cds.
Digital media is read as dots, so pretty mucb all that time warp nonsense is not the full track being read. Meaning not the full wave.
When using wax you have a wider range of frequencies and the full wave is read
Plus when using warped material, the climax and breakdowns are gone cuz the track has been warped into a single tempo with no change. If you try what sasha does using the master tempo, you will control the tempo of both tracks while being mixed at the same time, which is not djing. Each track should have its own climax and breakdown, if not you will have a robotic set. |
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| tvmann |
| ^^^ you should edit your post and remove the personal attack and insults in your first paragraph. Crap like that has no place on this board. Talk about gear, music etc, not the other person. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inertia
still... using a MIDI controller to steer Ableton to just mix your tracks is ing retarded in my opinion.
if you're just going to use Ableton as if it was a normal deck, adding to that that it will be your only source, then you are an uncreative mofo.
if you are going to create a collage of sound, basicaly a liveshow not necessarily fueled by your own music, as in, using loops and samples from other people's tracks, well, that is an evolution of DJing.
IOW, if the beatmatching is no longer an issue, then you better be doing something amazing. just fading from a track to the next makes you a hack IMO. |
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I've actually been looking into building my own MIDI controller as of late. It's nothing that's going to happen immediately, in fact it will probably take a couple of years, even more. What I'm looking to do is pretty much what you described. Add other outside pieces to it when using it, such as hardware, actual instruments, etc. to do more of a live PA than anything. Just a fun little project I've recently started working on. |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by tvmann
^^^ you should edit your post and remove the personal attack and insults in your first paragraph. Crap like that has no place on this board. Talk about gear, music etc, not the other person. |
its personal :D |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
Plus when using warped material, the climax and breakdowns are gone cuz the track has been warped into a single tempo with no change. If you try what sasha does using the master tempo, you will control the tempo of both tracks while being mixed at the same time, which is not djing. Each track should have its own climax and breakdown, if not you will have a robotic set. |
Right. You win the argument.  |
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| hooj1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
shut up newb, your a loser who can't beatmatch if ur life depended on it. Your on drugs while u warp tracks on ur little comp. Is that creativity? or loserness? helll i can do that. I guess im an artist now :wtf:
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wow what a creative post:rolleyes:
i've seen clovis rock crowds with cdjs and his mixing is on point. you should be the last person to criticize djs who you never heard play.
i don't know how long you have been djing but for most good djs beatmatching is the last thing on their minds. it becomes second nature. reading the crowd and track selection are the priority.
btw nice playing at vangaurd with ya cloveman. |
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| Clovis |
| lol, I don't claim to be good at it, I don't even think I am, but I do try and put effort into it, and thats all I want to see from other DJ's in terms of mixing. People who aren't stupid understand that the mix essentially happens on the mixer level. No matter how good you are at beatmatching, or how tightly warped your tracks are, mixing is still mostly about working the mixer. And theres no software out there that does this for you... |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
lol, I don't claim to be good at it, I don't even think I am, but I do try and put effort into it, and thats all I want to see from other DJ's in terms of mixing. People who aren't stupid understand that the mix essentially happens on the mixer level. No matter how good you are at beatmatching, or how tightly warped your tracks are, mixing is still mostly about working the mixer. And theres no software out there that does this for you... |
there is no huge effort in warping tracks. all you have to do is sit there move the cursor to the appropiate length required for the track, easy. Then all you have to do is press play and move the fader up and down and your mixing... simplicty; roboticness |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by hooj1
wow what a creative post:rolleyes:
i've seen clovis rock crowds with cdjs and his mixing is on point. you should be the last person to criticize djs who you never heard play.
i don't know how long you have been djing but for most good djs beatmatching is the last thing on their minds. it becomes second nature. reading the crowd and track selection are the priority.
btw nice playing at vangaurd with ya cloveman. |
not really, i only been djing for 6 days. Imo, having great mixing skills is essential and having the thought of beatmatching the last thing on your mind is your problem. If you can read the crowd and have good track selection without having a controlled set by the people with ease, then you step it up a notch with flawless 3-4 deck transitions that will create harmonic mayhem |
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| Spoonz |
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
not really, i only been djing for 6 days. |
lol |
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| hooj1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
not really, i only been djing for 6 days. Imo, having great mixing skills is essential and having the thought of beatmatching the last thing on your mind is your problem. If you can read the crowd and have good track selection without having a controlled set by the people with ease, then you step it up a notch with flawless 3-4 deck transitions that will create harmonic mayhem |
it just seems to me that you might have a tough time beatmatching which is why you're making such a big deal about it. and there is nothing wrong with that, just need some more practice.
but for me, i really don't think about beatmatching because it has become automatic as the years have gone by. at this point of my dj career i'm not worried about beatmatching at all, i just concentrate on the crowd, my tracks and mixing. and btw these are all elements that software can't do for you, period.
and yes, i too started mixing on turntables when i learned to dj...there was no cd decks at the time. |
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