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| Spoonz |
to do ur mixes solely using ableton = gay
to expand ur mixing skills by adding ableton to ur hardware setup to increase the ability of creativity = ftw |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spoonz
to do ur mixes solely using ableton = gay
to expand ur mixing skills by adding ableton to ur hardware setup to increase the ability of creativity = ftw |
Excactly!! :)
But if they just use Ableton as a third deck then that also = Gay ;) |
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| DJChrisB |
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
If I go to a club and the DJ pulls out his laptop with Ableton, then I am expecting something very special indeed (as mentioned above), but unfortunately, they use it just to do a regular dj set and I then have to question their ability as a (traditional) DJ. |
So true. :( |
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| Ryan0751 |
I think a lot of you people have it wrong...
Ableton is NOT easy.
If you think it is, download the demo... it'll take you a few days to just start figuring it out. From there, prepping your tracks and loops to play in the software will take a LOT of time and effort. It's NOT a "click and watch it mix, look I'm a DJ now" application. It's a DAW with a twist.
I think the original poster was probably referring to applications like Traktor, which really do just emulate the traditional DJ setup, but allows you to automate much of the process (using beat grids for beatmatching, etc).
Personally I play on CDJ's mostly, 1200's w/Torq and some vinyl here and there. I'm looking to get more into ableton sets because I can see the possibilities are endless.
Also, even if Ableton is taking care of the beatmatching for you... in case you haven't mixed lately, mixing is so much more than beatmatching. Track selection, programming and timing is the biggest thing and knowing your tracks inside and out, and being able to properly fade and eq. Not to mention harmonic mixing, it's all still relevant with Ableton.
As someone else said, if you are talented and creative, the tools you use are irrelevant. |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
I think a lot of you people have it wrong...
Ableton is NOT easy.
If you think it is, download the demo... it'll take you a few days to just start figuring it out. From there, prepping your tracks and loops to play in the software will take a LOT of time and effort. It's NOT a "click and watch it mix, look I'm a DJ now" application. It's a DAW with a twist.
I think the original poster was probably referring to applications like Traktor, which really do just emulate the traditional DJ setup, but allows you to automate much of the process (using beat grids for beatmatching, etc).
Personally I play on CDJ's mostly, 1200's w/Torq and some vinyl here and there. I'm looking to get more into ableton sets because I can see the possibilities are endless.
Also, even if Ableton is taking care of the beatmatching for you... in case you haven't mixed lately, mixing is so much more than beatmatching. Track selection, programming and timing is the biggest thing and knowing your tracks inside and out, and being able to properly fade and eq. Not to mention harmonic mixing, it's all still relevant with Ableton.
As someone else said, if you are talented and creative, the tools you use are irrelevant. |
what are you talking about u newb, warping is soooo easy, just move the cursor line to adjust the tempo and presto . I just moved to apple logic last night and it took me 10 mins to master
Edit- Ableton was aimed at producers who are new to the game, duh |
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| Ryan0751 |
I'm not a noob... clearly you are because it's not that perfect.
You still have to set the first warp marker, create a 16 or 32 bar loop, and go through the track "checking it" against a reference beat, making little adjustments to get it really perfect. It's not hard, but can take up to a minute per track for the odd ones.
If you don't do that, your "auto-beatmatching" will suck ass.
You'll probably also want to split out the interesting bits of tracks into loops, so you don't have to do all that on the fly. If you don't do that then you're not really using ableton to it's fullest.
* I assume this is a sarcasm post since nobody masters Logic in 10 minutes :) *
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
what are you talking about u newb, warping is soooo easy, just move the cursor line to adjust the tempo and presto . I just moved to apple logic last night and it took me 10 mins to master |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
I'm not a noob... clearly you are because it's not that perfect.
You still have to set the first warp marker, create a 16 or 32 bar loop, and go through the track "checking it" against a reference beat, making little adjustments to get it really perfect. It's not hard, but can take up to a minute per track for the odd ones.
If you don't do that, your "auto-beatmatching" will suck ass.
* I assume this is a sarcasm post since nobody masters Logic in 10 minutes :) * |
Also, for starters, a newbie can look up a tutorial and learn how to warp in five minutes
exactly its easy as hell once perfected, i learned how to warp in cubase when i did my rework of until monday and layered each kick sample to each kick sample on the track.
No its not sarcasm, i actually did.
Edit- You can have a perfect mix on decks
And plus the timestretching is not 100% accurate, abletor suckss |
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| Ryan0751 |
How old are you?
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
Also, for starters, a newbie can look up a tutorial and learn how to warp in five minutes
exactly its easy as hell once perfected, i learned how to warp in cubase when i did my rework of until monday and layered each kick sample to each kick sample on the track.
No its not sarcasm, i actually did.
Edit- You can have a perfect mix on decks
And plus the timestretching is not 100% accurate, abletor suckss |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
How old are you? |
old enough to be your dad |
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| Ryan0751 |
So you're in your mid-50's?
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
old enough to be your dad |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
So you're in your mid-50's? |
mid 20's :rolleyes: |
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| sleepydragon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
I'm not a noob... clearly you are because it's not that perfect.
You still have to set the first warp marker, create a 16 or 32 bar loop, and go through the track "checking it" against a reference beat, making little adjustments to get it really perfect. It's not hard, but can take up to a minute per track for the odd ones.
If you don't do that, your "auto-beatmatching" will suck ass.
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yeah but u can set all your warp markers before a gig and hit play u could spend 7 hours the night before getting it perfect. |
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