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| djimmersion |
I've been a mobile DJ for a little less then 6 years, working off a mixer, dual CD player, and two vinyl turntables, and use all 4 at once to make a new song litirally, but then I look at some other DJ's that I have preformed along side with and they do the exact same thing with just a laptop and controller, and it is as if they put half the effort into it beacuse the technology sync's and EQ's everything, while I have to constantly keep things in leveled and synced up with vinyl. once I saw some one check their E-mail and hold a conversation on AIM while in a mix, and I thought this is madness! I have used a laptop setup but I found myself bored beacuse there was less to do to get the same result as I do with vinyl.
I know technology is just an extension to a DJ's talent and creativity, but IMO using vinyl and CD truly shows the showmenship associated with DJ'ing, I have nothing aginsed laptop DJ's, but I just find that I lose interest beacuse I am not constantly doing somthing like I would be doing on vinyl. |
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| chris harrington |
| i feel exactly the same way mate. |
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| T-Soma |
| You can do 3-4 deck mixing but that is different to playing live. |
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| theognis1002 |
AMEN BROTHER!!!
sure Ableton is cool and all and people defend it because it is still djing in a way
but i definitely have more respect for vinyl/CD DJs
always will
its not really a shot at Ableton DJs
cuz my friend uses ableton and he cant beatmatch on CD players! haha he started off on ableton
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| T-Soma |
| I always though that a DJ who can't beat match must be a joke but nowadays it is becoming more and more common and I guess it is fair enough because when you think about it, it only takes most people one or two weeks and they can beat match pretty good. |
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| Dojomaster26 |
| Its not the mixing going downhill that I'm concerned with...its the track selection. Who cares how your mixing is if your tunes are e? |
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| idoru |
Here's how I see the whole Ableton vs. CDJ/Vinyl deal...
For starters, I've grown up playing actual instruments and doing everything by hand. I started listening to this music and spinning it before "Ableton" was even mentioned on forums. So naturally I'm going to lean more towards hardware, at least for the DJ'ing aspect of things.
For example, I've recently come into the company of a third CDJ. Coupled with my Xone and an EFX it all provides for some great creativity. Before the third CDJ died on me, I was layering three tracks and an EFX loop all by hand. Sometimes it sounded like piss, but when it worked holy hell did it work. Even with just two CDJs now I found myself listening to a set I recorded and saying, "Huh, I kept that track looping for 23 minutes? Sweet."
I've "spun" with Ableton so I'm not speaking from lack of experience, but I find it far more rewarding to spin in front of someone and be able to say, " yeah, I did that all by ear and hand, and it rocked!" than it is to say, "Hey, I can do that again, and again, and again, and again, and again and it will sound the exact same every single time by using this software!" Because you know what? That's the beauty of hardware.
With hardware, if you are trying something complicated that you've never done before and it works out, then great! It brings a higher satisfaction knowing that if I try to do that again that I will get a slightly different result each time and learn something new in the process.
But I'm not knocking Ableton, no. Do I think that most people who use it as a DJ'ing tool should be using it? No. For me, it's geared more towards a live act tool. If you use it like Hawtin has, if you're doing a live PA and you're cutting out samples from different tracks of yours to make a totally new one on the fly, then yeah, that is how Ableton should be used. It's not there to just loop one or two tracks over each other. It can, but it shouldn't. |
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| latenightsex |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
But I'm not knocking Ableton, no. Do I think that most people who use it as a DJ'ing tool should be using it? No. For me, it's geared more towards a live act tool. If you use it like Hawtin has, if you're doing a live PA and you're cutting out samples from different tracks of yours to make a totally new one on the fly, then yeah, that is how Ableton should be used. It's not there to just loop one or two tracks over each other. It can, but it shouldn't. |
live mashups can be be accomplished on decks and being of performance, the decks should be considered more for performance. Playing a midi on wax should be the new technology, and i believe its possible using vinyl emulators like serato. When mixing harmonics togeter on ableton it sounds distorted, but when doing on decks te full wave is read meaning a new harmonic content should come out. |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Here's how I see the whole Ableton vs. CDJ/Vinyl deal...
For starters, I've grown up playing actual instruments and doing everything by hand. I started listening to this music and spinning it before "Ableton" was even mentioned on forums. So naturally I'm going to lean more towards hardware, at least for the DJ'ing aspect of things.
For example, I've recently come into the company of a third CDJ. Coupled with my Xone and an EFX it all provides for some great creativity. Before the third CDJ died on me, I was layering three tracks and an EFX loop all by hand. Sometimes it sounded like piss, but when it worked holy hell did it work. Even with just two CDJs now I found myself listening to a set I recorded and saying, "Huh, I kept that track looping for 23 minutes? Sweet."
I've "spun" with Ableton so I'm not speaking from lack of experience, but I find it far more rewarding to spin in front of someone and be able to say, " yeah, I did that all by ear and hand, and it rocked!" than it is to say, "Hey, I can do that again, and again, and again, and again, and again and it will sound the exact same every single time by using this software!" Because you know what? That's the beauty of hardware.
With hardware, if you are trying something complicated that you've never done before and it works out, then great! It brings a higher satisfaction knowing that if I try to do that again that I will get a slightly different result each time and learn something new in the process.
But I'm not knocking Ableton, no. Do I think that most people who use it as a DJ'ing tool should be using it? No. For me, it's geared more towards a live act tool. If you use it like Hawtin has, if you're doing a live PA and you're cutting out samples from different tracks of yours to make a totally new one on the fly, then yeah, that is how Ableton should be used. It's not there to just loop one or two tracks over each other. It can, but it shouldn't. |
I couldn't agree with this more!!! :)
If I go to a club and the DJ pulls out his laptop with Ableton, then I am expecting something very special indeed (as mentioned above), but unfortunately, they use it just to do a regular dj set and I then have to question their ability as a (traditional) DJ. |
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| TaylorR |
| each to his or her own. |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by latenightsex
lol |
At what? |
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