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Traffic I don't get it
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| Subey |
Right now the world runs on a paradigm that "work" happens between 8-4pm everyday.
Is there a better paradigm?
I suggest a staggered work day.
I assume that 1.5-2 standard deviations of morning commuters arrive at work between 7:30-8:30am and leave between 3:30-4:30pm
In a staggered workday, start times for those 1.5-2 standard deviations of people would be from 7:00-10:30am and leave between 3:00-6:30pm
(i.e. still 8 hours total, but some people arrive early and leave early, while some arrive late, and would leave late)
The idea being that gridlock should be if not instantly eliminated, greatly reduced since you have diluted the number of cars on the road during peak use.
You still have 5 hours of overlap time (i.e. for meetings/work that must be done in a group). I also think lots of non-morning people would be happy to come in at 10am instead of 7.
If you have a problem with my logic feel free to share it. Otherwise I'd like to know if your national government made a major push to introduce this in your country would you support it? |
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| EvilTree |
Why let government regulate more of private business? We already get enough of that as it is.
Govt do not know what each business requires in terms of operating hours and slapping some sort of blanket opening hours regulations is going to piss off people. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Why let government regulate more of private business? We already get enough of that as it is.
Govt do not know what each business requires in terms of operating hours and slapping some sort of blanket opening hours regulations is going to piss off people. |
You didn't vote :p.
And Subey, I think this is a brilliant idea. I've always been a fan of self employment because of the flexible hours. I'm going to end up working at some firm anyways in my line of work, flexibility such as this in my schedule would be a bonus. I also think it would help increase productivity. Many studies show that people are more productive when they feel they have some 'control' or 'input' into work processes. What would make you feel more in control then deciding when to go into work :p? |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Why let government regulate more of private business? We already get enough of that as it is.
Govt do not know what each business requires in terms of operating hours and slapping some sort of blanket opening hours regulations is going to piss off people. |
Not true. All the government needs to do is follow Subeys plan, not force business to operate that way.
Since government is usually the single largest employer in any state/nation if the government decides its offices will be open from 7-6pm everything will line up in step with that (banks, finance, lawyers, accountants, etc) and help that problem. Government simply needs to do it itself not force others to do it.
I think government should start staggering their workday. Especially in nations like USA/Australia where so much business is done through different timezones that you do in essence have a staggered workforce through the nation just not in the specific geography, |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Why let government regulate more of private business? We already get enough of that as it is.
Govt do not know what each business requires in terms of operating hours and slapping some sort of blanket opening hours regulations is going to piss off people. |
What is the plus? The Plus is that literally millions of people spend an hour less of their day sitting in a car/bus and gain that hour as free time to spend however they wish.
I don't agree with it being an issue of big government forcing its will on me. I see it more as government being the tool to defeat the inertia of a paradigm that broke many years ago. |
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| Pheobius |
| The problem with this is continuity within and between workplaces. In a standard 9-5 office you know you'll be able to work with your collegues, or ring a guy in another office anywhere between 9 and 5, except maybe an hour for lunch, and be able to conduct business. By staggering the working day, you may reduce the effective period of work from about 7 hours down to 3, which would stuff up business entirely. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pheobius
The problem with this is continuity within and between workplaces. In a standard 9-5 office you know you'll be able to work with your collegues, or ring a guy in another office anywhere between 9 and 5, except maybe an hour for lunch, and be able to conduct business. By staggering the working day, you may reduce the effective period of work from about 7 hours down to 3, which would stuff up business entirely. |
Point is in larger countries like the USA, Australia, and the EU as a whole, you already have that problem thanks to timezones and business are operating without any problem. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| what I don't get are speeding tickets. They are such a scam. |
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| DJ Shibby |
As the population continues to increase, and metropolitan areas grow (and maybe eventually link, like in Japan), perhaps we will begin to see a lot more freedom of schedule.
Not to mention the next generation of "alertness" medications.
This freedom in turn will create a new set of social standards and changes, for better or worse.
However, traffic is a constant, and can never be eliminated while we're still on the ground. The more layers you build to allow breathing room, the more that breathing room will be utilized... and the population is only getting larger. |
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| Sunsnail |
| How would the government be pushing this idea? Through laws or through some sort of recommendation agency, like the one where they recommend you change your lightbulbs to fluorescents |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
How would the government be pushing this idea? Through laws or through some sort of recommendation agency, like the one where they recommend you change your lightbulbs to fluorescents |
I'd want to have a committee look into that :D
I think my own preference would be for a set "date" to switch on (like I am under the impression has been done in the past for changing which lane people drive on).
In the general sense I don't think there would be a need to legislate anything like, "30% of your staff has to arrive after 9pm" or anything, but I would try and suggest general guidelines for that kind of thing.
I also figure that in the months leading up to it you could "fake" it in order to make the transition smoother. For instance you could have a memo that said, "In order to simulate Staggered days meetings can only be scheduled between 11 and 3pm"
But I guess ultimately to me it seems like such a no-brainer (pretty much everyone wins with shorter commute times + working hours which more suited their individual body clock) that everyone would be super supportive/keen on the idea. |
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| Sunsnail |
| I think I would be against that, for the reason that I don't want my tax dollars going to try and enforce this kind of legislation. And if they're not enforced... why bother |
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