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Are Grooves Layered?
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| catalystG5 |
| hey all i was listening to a few tracks from svd and marcel woods and they have really complicted grooves/ percussion. i was just wondering if you guys layer ur grooves |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| Isn't that a bit of a given? |
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| catalystG5 |
| well can you give me any info about it... in other words as much as you know? |
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| flutlicht junky |
| I seem to remember someone on here saying that he knew that SVD used a few choice loops from VECS to get the basic beat going then prob added a few select strong perc hits to add the main groove over the top. Call and answer type / strong time based positioning stuff |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by flutlicht junky
I seem to remember someone on here saying that he knew that SVD used a few choice loops from VECS to get the basic beat going then prob added a few select strong perc hits to add the main groove over the top. Call and answer type / strong time based positioning stuff |
that was me lulz D:
Most techno loops are based around a half bar loop. SO...
1. Make a midi event half a bar long going to your drum sampler. Have that half bar looping. Put two kicks in and one snare (in other words, half a four to the floor beat).
2. Now put a few key percussion hits in. Don't use 100% real sounding drum samples. You need to use half bongos half "percussive fx" type sounds that arent really a drums but arent really shakers but arent really high hats but arent really.... you know what i mean.
3. Put in your main high hat and a hat loop (make the hat loop yourself - make sure it mashes into your percussions good).
4. From here, you have your main elements already, so you start piling in loops to fill up the background. You'll find you can just about do anything, just go through your loops one by one, if it sounds good keep it. Then add another one. Repeat until its full.
Now you have your base loop. Double that up so its one full bar and change a few elements in the second repeat. Nothing major (dont touch the "core" rythym).
Now, theres a lot of going on, so you need to make sure you EQ basically ALL your drum sounds/loops individually to get them cutting through how you want. If you skip good EQing, your percussion loop will just turn into noise and sound empty. Normally in trance you'd cut alot of your percussions at like 200hz or so. In techno you usually let them extend right down to like 100-150 depending on the type of bassline you want to use. Often techno just uses a sine sub bass, so anything above the normal 150hz sub bass area must be filled up with percussion.
From here, I put the whole lot (except maybe kick + snare) through a compressor or camelphat etc.
Its important to note though, groove is way more important in techno than it is in trance. In a lot of trance just about any percussion loop will sit ok with any bassline. In techno, the bassline is practically part of the percussion - it all needs to sit together EXTERMELY well. So, more often than not you'll find you have to get a good bassline sorted before you even start doing percussion.
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| hereander |
what's this half bar thing for? ending up doubling it.
i've never done that. also most loops that you could use to layer are one or two bars |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by hereander
what's this half bar thing for? ending up doubling it.
i've never done that. also most loops that you could use to layer are one or two bars |
Yes, but listen to those one bar loops and you'll hear the same thing repeated twice most of the time. |
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| echosystm |
K i just wasted 15 mins of my life for you asses, you better appreciate this.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lni39h
What I did, is showed the seperate stages.
1. Kick + snare (duh!)
2. Kick + snare + "core" percussions
3. Kick + snare + core + high hats
4. Kick + snare + core + high hats + 3 background loops
Get it? Everything is half a bar looped. Normally you would have variations every 2nd and 4th bar etc. but I cbf...
BTW. 15 minutes = crap panning, crap compressing (i just used a master limiter LOL) crap everything basically and ZERO eq. So, like, hopefully yours will sound better. Seeing as techno is basically 90% percs, you would spend like a day or whatever just perfecting that one loop. You'd also usually have more than what I put in there. More low frequency sounds too.
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
K i just wasted 15 mins of my life for you asses, you better appreciate this.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lni39h
What I did, is showed the seperate stages.
1. Kick + snare (duh!)
2. Kick + snare + "core" percussions
3. Kick + snare + core + high hats
4. Kick + snare + core + high hats + 3 background loops
Get it? Everything is half a bar looped. Normally you would have variations every 2nd and 4th bar etc. but I cbf...
BTW. 15 minutes = crap panning, crap compressing (i just used a master limiter LOL) crap everything basically and ZERO eq. So, like, hopefully yours will sound better. Seeing as techno is basically 90% percs, you would spend like a day or whatever just perfecting that one loop. You'd also usually have more than what I put in there. More low frequency sounds too.
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Now you are. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Now you are. |
NO YOU ARE >.< |
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