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Native Blockades (pg. 4)
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group. |
Dont recall the incident, but if they did, then its not nig ok either.
police need to deal these kinds of thing. not tolerate it. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group. |
truckers didnt threaten force and it was a rolling blockade that was over within hours. Yeah that was also a piss off but we didnt have teamsters threating society with guns.
Big difference there. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
If you don't like protests move to ing China. If you don't believe in a certain groups cause at least respect their right to voice an opinion. |
There is a difference between free speech and civil disobedience.
There's also a difference between legitimate grievances and identity politics.
Seems that the many on the left have serious trouble recognizing those differences. Not surprising when one starts with a foundation of moral relativism though. It's a very short leap from saying that all value systems are equal to saying that all behaviour is equal and all complaints are valid.
Anyway, folks, don't blame the OPP, at least don't blame them 100%. They just take their orders from McGuinty. The way McGuinty has chosen to respond to recent problems with the Aboriginal population is to pay them money to buy the land which they explicitly claimed was not in dispute, and spend yet more of our tax dollars on advertising. He gave specific orders to the OPP not to interfere. |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
truckers didnt threaten force and it was a rolling blockade that was over within hours. Yeah that was also a piss off but we didnt have teamsters threating society with guns.
Big difference there. |
Moreover it was about rising gas prices which generally has wide spread public support. Overall we are very uneducated about Native issues (myself included) and judging from most responses most opinions are based on stereotypes.
Threating force is one thing actually using it is another. Personally I don't condone violence but I also realize that it can be an effective way to bring social change... like it or not. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Personally I don't condone violence but I also realize that it can be an effective way to bring social change... like it or not. |
Now that's an interesting statement coming from you. Definitely one that I don't recall ever hearing you apply to counterterrorism measures.
Here's a question: isn't all violence meant to bring about some kind of social change? Seems to me that part of the issue is what sort of social change one is interested in bringing about. In this case, I can't see anything remotely positive.
Of course it also matters who the violence is directed at, but I'm not even going to go there. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
cut off their transportation links then you are a terrorist.
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:stongue: :stongue: |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Moreover it was about rising gas prices which generally has wide spread public support. Overall we are very uneducated about Native issues (myself included) and judging from most responses most opinions are based on stereotypes.
Threating force is one thing actually using it is another. Personally I don't condone violence but I also realize that it can be an effective way to bring social change... like it or not. |
If truckers had blocked highways and threatened to use guns you can be damned sure that it wouldnt have lasted long.
I didnt support the truckers blockades either but their strategy was much less confrontational than people in bandanas and bellaclavas shutting down major arteries and threatening anyone who comes close to them with violence.
Apples and Oranges |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Now that's an interesting statement coming from you. Definitely one that I don't recall ever hearing you apply to counterterrorism measures.
Here's a question: isn't all violence meant to bring about some kind of social change? Seems to me that part of the issue is what sort of social change one is interested in bringing about. In this case, I can't see anything remotely positive.
Of course it also matters who the violence is directed at, but I'm not even going to go there. |
Using violence to change society is exactly how radical islamics try to justify their jihad on the west.
Coming from radical islamics or natives, to me its the exact same crime and needs to be dealt with in the exact same manner. You threaten our society with violence? You get arrested. |
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| infinity HiGH |
Hey Jay, easy with the sensationalism here.
How you could compare a bunch of Natives to Radical Islam is beyond me. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Hey Jay, easy with the sensationalism here.
How you could compare a bunch of Natives to Radical Islam is beyond me. |
Im not comparing the scale of action. Im comparing the action itself. Threatening to use violence against the law and order of a society deserves punishment regardless of who you are. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Like truckers? I guess them slowing traffic to a stand still a few years back was ok cause their not a marginalized group. |
Let's not forget the farmers last year with their tractors. |
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