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How do pros mix? (pg. 5)
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| wotyzoid |
| .........or you can just use your ears and cue... |
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| Getix |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Patski
Alcohol, aka cans of courage ;) |
Saturday, after my third drink, beatmatching was easy :happy2: |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tony Morello
practice, a lot... and i mean A LOT
seriously, after a while you either get it and move past the bedroom or you don't and spend the rest of your time playing tracks you love in front of your paul oakenfold poster while practicing your jesus pose
it's what seperates those that can beatmatch from those that can dj |
What maybe isn't clear from this post is that there is nothing wrong if you just enjoy mixing at home and just like it because of that reason.
But the truth be told, I have yet to come across people with decks, who put in the time and effort to become technically sound who do not wish to have the chance to display your wares to a wider audience. Not saying they don't exist.
What Tony is stating though is that there is a hell of a difference between just knowing the technical skills in terms of equipment and the second level skills that are included in playing for the floor.
The harsh reality of this business is that unless you do it by instinct in terms of technical skills, are surrounded by people already in the business and have a certain X factor quality, you will probably not make it very far.
A lot of places in the UK these days are also starting to look for people who produce music. If you don't produce, you will probably never be more than a resident at most.
It's all about marketing, so if you don't even know how to market yourself to a small time promoter, you stand no chance. You have to be confident in yourself and believe, not to mention that you really have to want it.
You can tick all the boxes in the above and it still may not be enough... e huh?
About the pro's:
A lot of them will edit tracks to suit how they mix, an extra intro bar here or there or even take out bits that they feel don't work with the track.
In terms of skill, yes it's practice practice practice. In terms of networking, meet people, impress people and become their friend.
Don't get me wrong in all this, it's still fine to have questions as we all do at some point. But just think a little first, perhaps even post the question with your own theory. Then perhaps it will be easier for others to give a better answer based on your own train of thought. You will learn more from it.
It's more down to the fact that if you enter the forum and your first question is "what gear should I get and by the way, where do I get promos and how to I get to warm up for Armin" then perhaps this isn't for you. I have known a lot of you for a long time in terms of internet friendships and am very pleased by it too, I have seen people with noob questions get to a point where they are playing out and warming up for good names. This pleases me also.
Just be aware that it's a tough arsed business and if you think TMs comment was harsh, wait until you get immersed in the biz.
Cheers
Nem |
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| agentdansmith |
That was an excellent post Nem and you managed to get the message acros much better than Tony did, however how many people these days send out a promo cd to a promoter, blows them away with their technical skills and gets a slot?
Its pretty much 95% who you know and how determined you are to get that slot.
But please, do correct me if I'm wrong.... |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
That was an excellent post Nem and you managed to get the message acros much better than Tony did, however how many people these days send out a promo cd to a promoter, blows them away with their technical skills and gets a slot?
Its pretty much 95% who you know and how determined you are to get that slot.
But please, do correct me if I'm wrong.... |
No mate, you are spot on. It's always good to have a CD but I know people who get gigs and never even give out a demo, just simply through knowing people. Myself included, it's different when you have been around a while though.
I find making demos tedious as hell. Gave up on the idea that I'm going to wow a promoter through the amazing things that they will hear on the CD. Chances are that they wont even know what I'm doing and just think it's part of the track anyways.
But for all the new guys, definately carry a demo wherever you go. You never know who you will bump into.
Cheers
Nem |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | | This sounds like something a DJ that can't mix would say. |
nah, just a cynic :(
i personally wish it were about skill, but like other people have said in the thread it comes down to who you know and how well you can play the game, like most fields. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
No mate, you are spot on. It's always good to have a CD but I know people who get gigs and never even give out a demo, just simply through knowing people. Myself included, it's different when you have been around a while though.
I find making demos tedious as hell. Gave up on the idea that I'm going to wow a promoter through the amazing things that they will hear on the CD. Chances are that they wont even know what I'm doing and just think it's part of the track anyways.
But for all the new guys, definately carry a demo wherever you go. You never know who you will bump into.
Cheers
Nem |
I don't think I've ever gotten a gig from a demo but I've definitely made a few fans out of people I didn't know who heard my demos from a friend, etc... So they're still good to have. |
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| Tony Morello |
i've never gotten a gig from a demo cd, i've always given them out to the fans
nem definitely got my point across a lot better, he's a lot more eloquent typer
my comments were certainly harsh, but that's just the nature of this business, harsh comments for a harsh and cutthroat business
i can't even count the times i've been stabbed in the back by people i considered friends
you certainly find out who your true friends are in this biz |
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| RJT |
Edit: Also, conversely to the above posts - a demo has garnered me most of the success I've had, including and not limited to opening for Funk D'Void and Mathew Dekay, as well as a spot on the AMP productions roster in Chicago (won't mean much to the international community - but locally it's absolutely mint :)).
I will agree, however, that this is the exception, and not the rule.
Edit 2: , I somehow posted the initial post in the wrong thread - oh well, this applies here too. :p |
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| wotyzoid |
| I love the fact that you guys share your opinions with us. I seriously considering buying a notebook just to write down the stuff you guys type. |
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| Zild |
| You're on a computer man. Copy + Paste! |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
You're on a computer man. Copy + Paste! |
So we have a rocket scientis here.:p I know I was just trying to get the point across. But for real we have some real help here on ta, thanks to the big guns. |
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