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3/4 and 6/8 (pg. 4)
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| DJPrototypeX |
| i posted awhile back...lol...sayin...i had no clue what u people are talkin bout...here i go again...LMAo...i read the info over and over and over...i still dont get it...lol...its probably sooooooooo obvious...but it jus keeps flyin over my head...LMAo...help?:rolleyes: |
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| branmuffin |
| quote: | | i posted awhile back...lol...sayin...i had no clue what u people are talkin bout...here i go again...LMAo...i read the info over and over and over...i still dont get it...lol...its probably sooooooooo obvious...but it jus keeps flyin over my head...LMAo...help? |
Ok, start from the basics. ALL music is organized into basic thoughts called "Measures". In general if you listen closely enough to something, you can even hear where the measure begins and ends. Now, measures are divided evenly into beats. 4/4 time, which is almost universal to all music, definately all trance, is yoru basic beat. 4 beats per measure, and the quarter note gets the beat. What does that mean? well, a whole note takes up the entire measure (in 4/4 time), a half note takes up half the measure, a quarter note takes up a quarter of the measure, and so on. So in 4/4 you have four notes that evenly divide up the measure as the basic beat. (this does not mean there has to be something played on those beats, or quarter notes played on them, but generally things fall on those beats.)
A 4/4 trance song will have a beat like this... Boom-boom-Boom-boom. you count it 1-2-3-4. Try counting that over song you're listening to, you'll see what I mean, after a while you'll be able to actually here where the 1 starts because its generally accented the most, with 3 being slightly acccented, but not near as strong. (This is generally much more pronounced in the melody than the beat itself)
So now to 3/4. Well, this is quite simple. Once again, the quarter note gets the beat, however, there are now only three beats per measure. So its Boom-boom-boom, or 1-2-3. IMO, this doesn't really sound that great, and is only good in a Waltz (which is what its designed for)
Now.... 6/8 time. Most people seem to not understand this time. In 6/8 time, the eigth note gets the beat, so there are 6 beats per measure. So it would go Boom-boom-boom-Boom-boom-boom, or 1-2-3-4-5-6, but the 1st and 4th beat are much stronger and pronounced than the two following them, and so what you actually get is 2/4 time, where the 1-2-3 and 4-5-6 combination are actually tripplets. (that is where 1 note is divided up into three). The effect you get is 2 strong beats per measure, but you can put really badass melodies above them. This time has alot of potential, but it is very difficult to write in.
Hope this helps. |
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| oDrori |
LOL... I think you got him confused harder...
Hey man, these'll help ya understand it, DL these tracks:
Balloon - Lovely Boy
DJ Scot Project - O (Overdrive)
Miss Thunnder vs. Club Invaders - Mirage
Cosmic Gate - Move Any Mountain
These are all on 6/8 measure... Notice how the beat is kinda dragging, and you can't really try to put the basic "Oompa Oopmpa" on it... ? |
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| riverc0il |
interesting, i was about to start up a topic on 3/4 and/or 6/4 time, and low and behold a topic was already started... great!!!
i'm really interested in finding some tracks like this. something that sounds a bit different rhytmically, subtle differences like time signiture most people won't notice, but keeps me happy!!!
my example:
jakatta: american dream (club mix) [ATLANTIC]
if you listen and compare the club mix against other mix, you'll hear the different. i'm not sure if it classifies as 3/4 or 6/4. the phrase seems to speak 6/4 to me, but the breakdown feels more 3/4. interestingly enough, the intro/outro feels standard 4/4, weird.
if you listen to the other mixes and compare... you'll notice the bass guitar has a difinitive 'stretch' over into a new 4th beat. i like the club mix the best without that stretch.
btw, 3/4 time is VERY dancable. it's called a waltz!!!! also, it's used a lot in musical/theater productions... definately danceable, it's just the matter of fixing it to a 'club style'. mixing 3/4 could be tough... but a 4/4 intro/outro would fix any problems. |
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| TBA |
To make it really simple most trance is basically 4/4.
If you try and mix 3/4 into 4/4 it will sound . If any of you know a drummer, get them to beat 3 against 4. It's hard to do, I can't do it but have heard it done, it sounds crap. And don't confuse 6/8 or 3/4 with someone playing triplets over 4/4.
If you want to know what 3/4 sounds like go to your parents and ask them to play you a waltz on CD.
All of this terminology comes from old European clasical music anyway so ask a music teacher to show you the difference between 3/4 and 6/8. There is a difference! And in my opinion the best way to learn is to get someone who definitly knows, like a music teacher, to play you the difference so you can hear for yourself.
And a lot break beat is 4/4 it just has accents (kick drums) off the beat or on the off beat like rock and roll (syncopation) this gives it it's "groove" |
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| oDrori |
Yeah you're right it does sound crap when mixing from one to other, (Though short parts of 6/8 don't sound so bad on 4/4 like on Safri Duo - Played Alive for example)...
Thanks for the jakatta recommendation, I'll check it out... Please keep the thread alive, I'm so hoping for 6/8 and 3/4 to get more common but not much people seem to recommend a lot on it...
3/4 is indeed dancable, but people have invente a very distinct way of dancing it since it's not a "Dual" (I mean, you can't divide it by 2) measurement. "Club Dancing" is kinda difficut to combine with 3/4 dancing thechnic... Will be fun to watch the goofs try to dance ;) |
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| Blue. |
DJ Scot Project - O (Overdrive) >>> This is a cool tune, pounds :D
Hypertraxx - The Darkside >>> The 7PM mix isn't as hard but kicks ass :D. |
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| webmeister |
Man this thread is like the Terminator .. it's relentless, no matter how many times it drops of the bottom, somebody always bumps it every few months...
*sets calendar* :D:cool: |
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| oDrori |
| Hehe, well I can't let my baby die can I? |
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| DJ Sound |
| im listening to Mirage and there is nothing 3/4 about it...its totally 4/4...trance never uses 3/4 or stuff like that...if it did with percussion it would sound like a trainwreck...maybe some of you are thinking of Melody patterns..like just skipping every 2 1/16th notes and playing a note...but it wont perfectly meet up again at beat 1....thats why you need to change the pattern (usually in the last bar) for it to be able to resolve perfectly......Dumonde does this alot....so do other dudes...but if your interested in this kind of mathmatical music...learn about polyrythms....its cool stuff.....but like i said not used in trance....it sounds crappy...some techno uses them ive heard though...have fun |
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| oDrori |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJSound
im listening to Mirage and there is nothing 3/4 about it...its totally 4/4...trance never uses 3/4 or stuff like that...if it did with percussion it would sound like a trainwreck...maybe some of you are thinking of Melody patterns..like just skipping every 2 1/16th notes and playing a note...but it wont perfectly meet up again at beat 1....thats why you need to change the pattern (usually in the last bar) for it to be able to resolve perfectly......Dumonde does this alot....so do other dudes...but if your interested in this kind of mathmatical music...learn about polyrythms....its cool stuff.....but like i said not used in trance....it sounds crappy...some techno uses them ive heard though...have fun |
WTF dude what Dumonde do is called Arpeggiation and they do it on their 4/4 tunes a lot that's right.
But Mirage is totally 6/8!!!
Just count how many quarters are in each beat... 3.
You can totally get confused if you try to do a "Double beat" which proves it's not 4/4 |
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