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| Aristronica |
say whatever you want about steroids. congrats to Bonds tho.
damn sweet shot. |
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| EvilTree |
| Maybe the media will STFU about Bonds finally? |
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| SolemnThirsty |
| the dude who caught the ball, money in the bank for him! |
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| LeopoldStotch |
| finally. it's about time he hits 756*. now we can move on, and talk about some real baseball that's going on at the moment. :o |
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| King Ecnal |
| I'm glad its over, now I can BENCH his ass on my fantasy team... he'll probably hit 4 more HR's by the end of the season... |
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| inconspicuous |
He's a whiner, a showboat, a liar, an unfaithful husband, a bad father, an , a racist, and, of course, a cheater with no respect for the game or anyone besides himself. I see no reason to praise him for anything. He has no redeeming traits.
How anyone can cheer for him or support him in any way, shape, or form is beyond me. It takes a lot of ignorance or complete delusion to find him at all worthy of respect. |
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| Aristronica |
alright say he doesn't use steroids, how many home runs would he hit. and how many MVPs would he win. etc.
the man still have skills regardless of what kind of person he is. Michael Jordan is a jackass too. |
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| inconspicuous |
| he would have around 600, and he would be considered one of the great players in history, but his character would still be the same. Michael Jordan is not even relevant to a discussion about Bonds. |
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| chimera66 |
| I was happy to hear Bud called Barry to congratulate him. Bud really should have been there though. Steroids is baseball's problem and Bud shouldn't act holier than thou now that the record is broken. Barry might be an ass and I'm 98% sure he took steroids but so did a lot of people and that didn't make everyone break records. Whatever congrats to Bonds. |
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| King Ecnal |
in the mid 90's... I actually went as far and said he was the best overall OF in the game... yes, over Griffey... therefore, I thought he was the best overall LF EVER... not a better hitter than Ted Williams of course, but better overall player...
but now... i don't even know, i don't even care really...
Barry has amazing contact, and I guess you might argue its because hes a roidhead and can swing the bat quicker, but I think thats bull... he still is an amazing contact hitter in my opinion... therefore I think he'd be going for 3000 hits over 600 HR's right now if he never roided up...
i'm just curious to see if he finally comes to the AL next season, or if the Giants pay him ridiculous amounts of money again... or he retires... I wouldn't pay over 5 million a season for the guy... |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
Steroids is baseball's problem |
PR-wise, yes. Integrity-of-the-game-wise, no. Almost everybody is on HGH, since there's no test for it, and you could even argue that it has a greater effect. Barry Bonds wouldn't even be playing anymore if it wasn't for HGH.
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
I'm 98% sure he took steroids |
He's admitted to it. Why are you 2% unsure?
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
but so did a lot of people and that didn't make everyone break records. |
This is the argument I hate more than any other (except for the "well, we don't know what did or didn't go on" one), because it's irrelevant. If we have an entire generation of players who are cheating, is it now ok? NO. First of all, not everyone was cheating (like Griffey, who was clearly the best player of the 90s, and one of the greatest of all time imo), so saying "well, they didn't break records" is a short-sighted statement. Second, the fact that it's widespread simply means that more people are working on corroding the foundation of the game. Last time I checked, being part of a group doesn't alleviate any guilt. This seems to be a baseball-only phenomenon, as well. Nobody's sitting around defending Ben Johnson.
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
in the mid 90's... I actually went as far and said he was the best overall OF in the game... yes, over Griffey... therefore, I thought he was the best overall LF EVER... not a better hitter than Ted Williams of course, but better overall player... |
While I completely disagree, that's at least an argument that isn't rooted in absurdity, but it's also irrelevant. That he was good before he started taking steroids & HGH & whatever else doesn't make any future accomplishments validated & deserved. All it does mean is that he's even more of an egomaniac than he had seemed, and the fact that he wasn't satisfied with 5-600 home runs & 500 stolen bases, and was so overcome with jealousy & a sense of entitlement that he chose to betray the game that's given him everything he has just adds to that.
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
Barry has amazing contact, and I guess you might argue its because hes a roidhead and can swing the bat quicker, but I think thats bull... he still is an amazing contact hitter in my opinion... therefore I think he'd be going for 3000 hits over 600 HR's right now if he never roided up... |
Yes, he's always been a great contact hitter, but taking steroids absolutely helps that. It's the same as in any sport. The stronger you are, yes, the harder you can hit or shoot the ball, but it also means you can achieve the same result with far less exertion. Less exertion means greater control.
Second, in something like baseball, where the direction of the ball doesn't matter as much as the distance, even if you don't go by the theory of reducing exertion & he's swinging the same speed, it now means that his misses go much farther. Fly-outs become home runs, doubles go into the Cove, ground-outs are base hits, & bloopers allow runners to tag up. Solid contact will always be solid contact, but it's the mis-hits.
I seriously doubt he'd have 3000 hits, simply because he would have retired years ago without HGH, and he wasn't even at 2000 before he started taking steroids, after 13 years in the league. He might have hit 600 HR, but again, he needed over 150 more to get there. If you figure he averages about 30-35 per season after 1998, he'd need to play for 4-5 more years, and that's right on the edge. Even with everything he did, he looked like he'd never play again 2 seasons ago.
| quote: | Originally posted by King Ecnal
i'm just curious to see if he finally comes to the AL next season, or if the Giants pay him ridiculous amounts of money again... or he retires... I wouldn't pay over 5 million a season for the guy... |
If he does, it'll be his decision, not the Giants', because he's worth more than anything they can pay him. The only reason people go to the games is to see if Barry can slug one over the fence & show-up the pitcher while he stands there admiring it. Add the media & merchandise boosts, and he's almost invaluable to them.
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
Whatever congrats to Bonds. |
no. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
PR-wise, yes. Integrity-of-the-game-wise, no. Almost everybody is on HGH, since there's no test for it, and you could even argue that it has a greater effect. |
I forgot to mention that the baseball's economic issues trump all of this, because competition is more important than records, and having only a handful of relevant teams each decade can kill a game. Cheating by individuals can not. |
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