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AGCO appeals its OWN decision on Circa Licence (pg. 15)
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| Jem_hadar |
I'M MOVING TO BELGIUM!
After hearing all the cool things about Belgium from Loca, I've decided! ;)
Plus, my favourite tennis player EVER, Justine Henin is from there... so I'll be living in her home country (I dont think she resides there anymore though... think she lives in Morocco, if I'm not mistaken (I could be, memory often sucks)...
And plus, I could speak French over there :D |
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| loca |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
yeah same thing back at either of my homes
but then again it's sad to see drunk 15 year olds staggering about the clubs/bars area, or doing crazy |
Personally i don't really mind. I don't generally see it and besides, I know myself and my brothers have been drinking since about 13. Usually it's more of a family thing; everyone gets together, the wine flows, the beer flows... it's fun! You develop a tolerance a lot sooner and you find your limits a lot faster and become much more responsible alcohol wise. Not to mention the fact that after a while you become totally jaded about the whole thing :stongue: By the time my brothers and i hit our late teens/early 20s we were over the whole must-get-drunk-to-have-a-good-time attitude.
Now i'm not saying i don't get drunk from time to time because i do (twice a year haha) but at that point i know where i have to stop so that drunk doesn't become sick/passed out. Not only that, but i also make plans on how to get home without having to drive/take the transit on my own etc.
I think everyone has the potential to do that if there's no age restriction when it comes to drinking. Of course there will always be the odd person who will ALWAYS get completely trashed but those people will exist no matter what.
Jem: Belgium rawks :D I'm trying to convince Carlos to move to Europe hehe :p |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by loca
so that drunk doesn't become sick.
Jem: Belgium rawks :D I'm trying to convince Carlos to move to Europe hehe :p |
hehe i make it my point in life to get as drunk as possible everytime i drink to get drunk, but yet never to have to deal w/ throwing up, being sick, being hungover or having a headache.
i love my life ... who cant love being "a whole two-four" drunk and not paying painful consequences that night or the next day :D
And yes, belgium rocks, justine converted me years and years ago :p |
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| Jayx1 |
It sounds like Belgium offers freedom for adults to choose their own lifestyle.
Im jealous |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Good, then let THE BUSINESS OWNER DECIDE. Not the government. If the business owner wishes to incur costs then its his choice.
You see how this went from "preventing people from being stupid" arguement to a "make decisions on behalf of business owners" arguement?
You fell into your own trap. |
Jay, I'm not arguing how I think things should be, rather, how they are. I agree with you, I'd like to see no last call but in the present social and legal conditions it simply isn't feasable. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Jay, I'm not arguing how I think things should be, rather, how they are. I agree with you, I'd like to see no last call but in the present social and legal conditions it simply isn't feasable. |
then dont say why we cant...say what we should do to say why we CAN.
If the laws prevent it... change them! |
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| dEsidEL |
the latest on this ..
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Club plan sparks infighting
Lawsuit within Ontario liquor licence regulator argues for removal from entertainment district
August 22, 2007
john Goddard
staff reporter
The government liquor licence regulator took itself to court yesterday in a bizarre case pointing to escalating nervousness over the downtown club district.
One branch of the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario went to court against another to try to stop the opening of Circa, a spectacular nightclub and arts facility with a 3,000-person capacity due to open in two weeks.
The club got its liquor licence July 31 and is booked as a Toronto International Film Festival party venue starting Sept. 7.
But in a rare internal procedure yesterday, lawyers for the commission's registrar branch argued that the commission's licensing board failed to consider the havoc a giant new club could cause in a neighbourhood already stretching police resources.
"It can't take one more," the registrar's lawyer Richard Kulis told divisional court. "(The city) would not be able to effectively police the area."
In granting the licence, Kulis said, the board restricted itself to narrow criteria, taking the view that only city hall could decide whether the club district has too many clubs. Kulis was seeking a suspension of the liquor licence pending a full appeal in November.
The board did not defend itself in court. That job fell instead to Circa lawyer Thomas Heintzman, who said an 11-month licensing process, including a six-week board hearing, indeed addressed wider issues.
"(Even critics said) that this is a high-end, well-operated location that would not pose a threat to public safety," Heintzman told Justice Sandra Chapnik, who said she'd take a few days to make a ruling.
On summer weekends, up to 50,000 party-seekers descend on the entertainment and club district, spanning eight city blocks centred at John St. between King and Queen Sts.
Alcohol- and drug-fuelled rowdiness and violence often follow, although shootings are down 40 per cent this year over last, police say. In June, a fourth rapid-deployment police unit was created to help contain bad behaviour, beefing the force to 72 from 54 officers.
City Councillor Adam Vaughan, who represents the area, has proposed such control measures as selling club owners a permit for lineups on public sidewalks.
Into this controversial atmosphere steps Circa, proposed club of clubs, its owner no less a personage than Peter Gatien, the storied 1980s king of the New York City club scene.
"This is a good product for Toronto," he said outside court yesterday, "an institution the city will be proud of." Gatien has spent $5 million in the last year and a half to create the club, including $2 million in rent, the court heard.
Lawyer Heintzman defined Circa as "not just a nightclub – it's a cultural, artistic and musical venue," and produced support letters from leading cultural institutions.
"A unique cultural venue," wrote the Royal Ontario Museum.
"A welcome addition," said the Toronto Arts Council.
Located at 126 John St., Circa boasts 53,000 square feet of floor space over four storeys, with themed bars and a dance floor big enough for 1,000 people. It also features art galleries, a recording studio and a film-screening room.
As the one-time owner of New York's giant Limelight, Tunnel and Palladium nightclubs, Gatien brings glamour to Toronto's club scene, along with a less savoury past. He once beat a New York drug trafficking charge, but was fined and briefly jailed for tax evasion.
The licensing board ruled the events did not disqualify Gatien from getting a liquor licence.
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http://www.thestar.com/News/article/248642
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| Swamper |
| quote: | | "The trouble with this Entertainment District right now is that 50,000 hooligans swamp into this place on a weekend night and it's gotten to the point where the police can't control it," said city councillor Adam Vaughan. "It's not very entertaining when you get stabbed or shot at or a beer bottle thrown from the third floor." |
I love how all people who go down there on a weekend are classified as 'hooligans'. I used to respect this guy when he started just because of his father's work - but - the son is turning out to be a drama queen. |
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| Paulinho |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
I love how all people who go down there on a weekend are classified as 'hooligans'. |
I thought the exact same thing when I read this...what a ing jerk-off |
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| Rook |
| when can we expect to hear resident djs announced..?? |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rook
when can we expect to hear resident djs announced..?? |
Tiesto has already been announced as a resident DJ at Circa....I will be spinning in the VIP area every other Saturday....mostly house but some happy hardcountry has been known to hit the decks as well. |
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