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filter effect on delays?
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| StanVoid |
Hey all,
I am trying to achieve a certain type of effect where it sounds like a delay is applied to a synth, but the delayed 'echoes' gradually filter out, rather than fading out. Basically instead of hearing:
*NOTE* *NOTE quiter* *note quiter* *not even quiter*
you hear
*NOTE* *NOTE quiter* *note quiter and missing some high frequencies*
*note even quiter and missing even more highs*
an example of what i'm talking about (a lot of you probably have this face on right now - :wtf: ) is in the breakdown of Orjan Nilsen - Beat Design. When he plays that main lead in the break, there's definitely some effects on the delay that make it really trippy, almost as if he's passing the delay through a filter and also messing with the resonance knob. Anyone know of a good way to achieve this effect? |
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| Zombie0729 |
| eh came on Stan you know better than this, supply us with a sample... but Ableton's Autofilter or FabFilter can be automated, it sounds like you've already figured this out. use your delay and use a filter on it after the chain automating the Q |
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| StanVoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
eh came on Stan you know better than this, supply us with a sample... |
my verbal description was crystal clear i thought
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| derail |
I haven't heard the particular track in question. Depending on the structure of the track there are different ways to approach this -
If a couple of notes are played and then it's just the delayed notes repeating and repeating, filtering out, then you could just put a delay on the instrument, and a filter after the delay, and just automate the filter frequency (then bring the filter frequency back up when the instrument plays more notes)
A bit cleaner may be to take a copy of the original melody and place it onto a separate track, moving it backwards the initial delay time (or just leaving it in line with the original but making the effect 100% wet) and then automating the filter on that channel. Then you'll be able to bring the filter back up more gradually when the original instrument plays new notes.
Both these methods though, don't treat each note separately. Depending on the melody, if it's just 5 or 6 main notes, you could split the notes onto 5 or 6 tracks and apply the filter automation to each note independently. It's more work, but once you get it set up for one loop you can just cut and paste the automation wherever it's needed. BT sometimes spent a few hours on half a bar of stutters, chopping up audio and placing the slices just where he wanted them.
(I haven't really given this much thought though - there could very well be a much simpler, more elegant engineering solution - I'd love to hear other's thoughts!)
Then again, some delay devices have this built into them. The Waves MultiTap delays give you an option to have a lowpass filter which closes with each successive delay. But there doesn't appear to be any control for the amount of resonance.
Either Orjan Nilsen used an effect or he did some creative production work! |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
I haven't heard the particular track in question. Depending on the structure of the track there are different ways to approach this -
If a couple of notes are played and then it's just the delayed notes repeating and repeating, filtering out, then you could just put a delay on the instrument, and a filter after the delay, and just automate the filter frequency (then bring the filter frequency back up when the instrument plays more notes)
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sounds like he did something like that ^ |
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| kitphillips |
| Its an effect called damping on a lot of delays... Cuts away the high frequencies with each delay. |
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| DigiNut |
| You could either use a delay with damping, or you could... filter the delay. :p |
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| camsr |
| Adobe Audition has an Echo (Delay) that uses an EQ on the delays, instead of just a lowpass. |
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| BOOsTER |
What about putting the delay on a send...send signal to it and have it filtered on the return track?
I mean like
track -> send delay -> filter -> return -> master out |
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| StanVoid |
Thanks everyone!
I got exactly what I wanted by applying a filter to the delay's output. To be more precise, I found this setup gave me just what I had in mind (this is in Reason):
-put a spyder merger/splitter between the synth and your mixer
-have one output go into the mixer, and another output server as input to a delay unit.
-wire the output of the delay unit into a filter and hook up the filter's output into a new channel on the mixer
voila!
you can actually get some great stereo synths by muting out the synth's original output and just listening to the channel that's running the filtered delay. Especially if you combine two delays panned to left and right ... mmmm yummy :p |
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| thecYrus |
well, i'm looking for the same effect. but actually i would need to be a filter within the feedback loop.
original -> delay -> filter -> delay -> filter -> delay -> filter -> ....
and each filter is closed more than the previous. but actually i never found one of this implementation in a plugin. |
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