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This is for all you "Truther" idiots. (pg. 6)
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| LazFX |
listen democracy now boy, lets not start calling names...... ;)
and yes that was the source.... and so?? Is Alex Jones a repeat today??
lol |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Letting it happen for political convenience and being actually involved in its development and execution are very different things. Was there corruption? Was there mismanagement? Those are all realistic charges. Was there actual involvement in its planning and execution, coupled with conspiracy with world bankers and other powerful organizations in order to further an even more massive conspiracy of controlling the globe? Well, that one is on shaky grounds. |
Correct.
A small fact we can't forget is that a CIA operative, conveniently uncaptured to this day, allegedly organized this scenario.
We have no access to CIA documents, work ethic, etc. It is further being locked down as "national security" is stamped all over ANYTHING that requires the president to answer for himself.
I am not surprised people believe he had a hand in it at some level; it's all so corrupted at this point. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
then your assumptions all fail.
you cant (logically) point at something and say "govt conspiracy!" unless you explain how it IS actually a conspiracy.
it's lazy and completely disingenuous to be arguing that the supposed 9/11 inconsistencies and holes equate with a conspiracy if you have no rational explanation for how they are related. the fact that no one in the truth movement has done so is very telling imo.
im not asking for a blow by blow account, just a rational and compelling joining of major inconsistencies, and how these inconsistencies "really" occured. |
The only weapon we've got left against the potential for tyranny is information.
Rule #1: Do not trust your government. They don't trust you. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Watch it you two, they'll start calling you sheep. |
I suppose that it's only natural that we'd have all sorts of differing takes on how far human beings are willing to cross the line. It's supposed to be dynamic like that.
I suppose it's easy to say that this fellow from Australia doesn't understand the same unrest I might, being from America. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Correct.
A small fact we can't forget is that a CIA operative, conveniently uncaptured to this day, allegedly organized this scenario. |
wrong. see, this is one of the key fundamental misunderstandings of the events 9/11.
this douche:
is the alleged (also admitted and corroberated) "organizer of the scenaio" and tied to the '93 bombing of the WTC
Bin Laden is wanted and under indictment for the African Embassy bombings because there is sufficient evidence to support such claims...9/11, on the other hand, there is not enough evidence for him to be put under indictment but he is wanted for questioning.
these are plain-as-day facts. some people want to see them some people don't. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
The only weapon we've got left against the potential for tyranny is information. |
wow, thats..thats great.
i can't tell you not to always see yourself as a victim. can only tell you make sure you get the correct information
| quote: | | Rule #1: Do not trust your government. They don't trust you. |
astrisk: trust them only with things you want handed to you, and you agree with politically.
don't forget that little detail Shibby |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
listen democracy now boy, lets not start calling names...... ;)
and yes that was the source.... and so?? Is Alex Jones a repeat today??
lol |
You're not a self-professed degenerate neocon so you don't deserve that kind of treatement, chill dude ;) |
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| SiLveR_NrGy_985 |
| i've seen the documentary aired on the history channel already and to be honest..... they don't mention anything new or that different, all they have done is compiled things that we already know from magazines,newspapers and put into one program. I find it quite strange and hypocritical that the history channel would do this as they have had programs about government mind control, illuminati,skull and bones secret societies quite interesting if you ask me.... |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by SiLveR_NrGy_985
i've seen the documentary aired on the history channel already and to be honest..... they don't mention anything new or that different, all they have done is compiled things that we already know from magazines,newspapers and put into one program. I find it quite strange and hypocritical that the history channel would do this as they have had programs about government mind control, illuminati,skull and bones secret societies quite interesting if you ask me.... |
Is something in their contract stopping them from airing non-CT stuff? :conf: |
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| SiLveR_NrGy_985 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Is something in their contract stopping them from airing non-CT stuff? :conf: |
well it sure steps into the realm of the CT if you know what i mean.... anyway i found this posted on one of the forums i go to and found this quite interesting:
and as for the history channels show , here's whats wrong with that BS
- The debunkers, people like James Meigs whose scientific expertise stretches as far as being the editor of Video Review and Entertainment Weekly, were labeled as experts while real experts like Physicist Professor Steven Jones were stripped of any such description.
- The debunkers' interviews were pristinely shot and framed, with beautiful backdrops and highly sympathetic camera angles and filters, whereas the truthers were shot from bizarre positions, their images were deliberately distorted and even the color filter of the shot had been manipulated to make their appearance look tainted, blurred and contorted. This was an intentional ploy and a crude act of manipulation to detract credibility from the truthers and violates all known ethical standards of journalism.
- The producers of the show failed to offer the proviso that Hearst Publishing, the owner of Popular Mechanics, also holds a controlling stake in the History Channel (via its stake in the A & E Television Network), therefore concealing from the viewer a blatant conflict of interest that negated the neutrality of the show before it had even begun.
- The debunkers were afforded far more time on camera while the truthers were sidelined.
- The narrator of the show would dismiss the questions and evidence raised by the truthers as unproven or debunked in an ad hominem manner without providing any evidence to justify the assertion.
- The truthers were edited so that only hesitant responses to questions were broadcast, casting doubt on the veracity of their claims in the mind of the unsuspecting viewer.
- The show included a clip of Alex Jones' appearance at the University of Texas, at which around 500 people packed the lecture hall to hear his speech, but deliberately and maliciously edited the footage to include shots taken during recess, so as to make it appear that the lecture hall was mostly empty. In addition, lingering shots of empty chairs were included to further deceive the viewer into thinking few had attended the speech. This is journalistic fraud of the worse kind - a blatant misrepresentation and deliberate skewing of actual events.
- In a similar vein, footage from 9/11 truth protests was broadcast but the angle of the shot was always tight, so as to make out that few people had attended the demonstration, when in fact thousands were present.
- Davin Coburn of Popular Mechanics, mirroring a dirty trick that was also employed in the BBC hit piece, maliciously lied and smeared Alex Jones and others in the program by claiming that most of the 9/11 families hate them and that they are responsible for causing the families more pain. Coburn and the show's producers know this is an outright lie and that the majority of the family members are asking the same questions as Alex Jones and others. Bill Doyle, representative of the largest group of 9/11 family members told the Alex Jones Show directly that over half of the family members have questions about the official story. Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew offered contact details for numerous 9/11 first responders, firefighters and family members that were asking questions of the official version, but absolutely none were interviewed by Brad Davis and the rest of the show's producers.
- The producers of the show tried to make out that Loose Change had recanted their position on the issue of controlled demolition, when in fact Dylan Avery and the other members of the crew were merely using their Final Cut version to focus on other topics, having already covered controlled demolition at length in previous versions. This trick was used to claim that evidence for bombs and controlled demolition, which is attested to by scores of firefighters and first responders, none of which were interviewed by the producers, had been debunked.
- Articles and text from 9/11 truth websites were shown, but the actual URL addresses of the sites were blurred out, with the History Channel obviously frightened that people might actually visit such websites and find out that the program was a pack of lies.
- The debunkers attempted to wriggle out of Secretary Norman Mineta's bombshell testimony about Cheney's actions in the Emergency Operations Center, by claiming that Mineta was talking about Flight 93 and not the plane that hit the Pentagon. In reality, Mineta makes it clear in his testimony that he is talking about Flight 77, "the airplane coming in to the Pentagon," and this is then confirmed by Commissioner Lee Hamilton.
The debunkers admitted that temperatures inside the twin towers were not hot enough to melt steel, but claimed that they were hot enough to weaken steel and cause the collapse. The debunkers uniformly failed to address the fact that firefighters and first responders described witnessing molten steel beneath the rubble of the towers and they also ignored Professor Steven Jones' scientific analysis of the iron-rich microspheres found in the rubble. In a website posting last night, Professor Jones stated that he emphatically pushed the dust analysis during his interview with the producers, but the topic was completely overlooked. The New York Times reported that the molten steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered" but the History Channel, mirroring NIST, failed to address the issue.
- The debunkers mentioned WTC 7 only in passing and completely failed to address why the building, which wasn't hit by a plane, collapsed in 7 seconds into its own footprint after suffering only limited fire damage from falling debris. They also failed to mention why news outlets were reporting the collapse of Building 7 over an hour before it actually fell.
- The wargames that dovetailed 9/11 and deliberately confused NORAD personnel so as to slow response to the real attack were completely excluded.
- The Able Danger program and how the hijackers were discovered before 9/11 was completely excluded.
- The fact that the money man behind the hijackers, Pakistan’s ISI Chief Mahmoud Ahmad, was meeting with U.S. government and intelligence officials before and on the morning of 9/11, was completely excluded.
- William Rodriguez' first-hand testimony of explosions prior to the impact of the planes was completely excluded, as was the testimony of numerous firefighters who attested to bombs and explosions.
- NBC reporter Pat Dawson claimed that FDNY Chief of Safety Albert Turi had only described explosions, not bombs, going off, contradicting Dawson's own report at the time which stated, "Reports of a secondary device, that is another ‘bomb’ going off." |
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| Magnetonium |
^^^ Very impressive work. :D Interesting read. |
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