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What the hell happened to this place? (pg. 2)
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| zag2me |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrancePharoah
The strange thing is, one could argue that the growth of the superclubs has caused irrervsible damage to the scene as a whole in terms of clubnights, would be interesting to find out 'what went wrong?' so to say...(if you think anything is wrong...) |
Come down to London for a weekend, it's more hardcore than ever, so many good parties all the time. It's even more hectic these days with all the young foriegners around.
I keep on hearing this trance is dead , then I go out to a night and its rammed to the rafters with trance nuts. Even off to slinky next weekend, been doing this for 10 years now and its busier than ever ;) |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_mdma
We got proper jobs.
We got friends.
Thats pretty much it really...!
When i started getting into dance music and finding a lack of people with the same common interest as me I found TA. I then made friends, and the relationships have just moved offline.
Why talk on TA when you can just give someone a buzz and go for a drink eh? |
So true. We've gone there as well, I rarely post or comment, so many new people on our boards at least, but I'd rather talk to people in person than do the boards CONSTANTLY.
Hope things are cool over there Lam, I'm coming back next year, Dovercastle hostel was a blast. |
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| DJ-Ande |
I always view just never post, trance has moved on imo so iam a little less interested. the good old 'hands in the air'- ness is not the same.
owell, atleast TA is still alive:D :D |
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| Snarcher! |
it seems to me all the good true trance has been made.. now anything new just sounds like something that already was but no where near as good.
face it there will never be another oakenfold world tour of essential mixes, those were amazing.
have you heard armins ASOT episodes? they are such crap. |
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| daeus |
I've loved trance since I was 14 and still loving it now (22) so much so I'm producing and loving it...
I dont know how you can "grow up" from trance unless you are reffering to now being more responsible i.e. not taking drugs,going out late on week nights, which, I dont.
If you're on this forum your supposd to be an addict anyway lol.
Also the synth technology is better than ever these days - which allows us to produce even better sounds.
I do however wish I lived nearer to a Trance community, London sounds great, I currently live near Birmingham so I have Godskitchen and Psssion In Coalville but I want to be closer to it all, even though I am 15 min away from the site of Global Gathering lol. |
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| Fundamental |
| quote: | Originally posted by RaPiD____EyE_k
what the hell happened here? this area of the forum has went to ? UK rocks, what seems to be the issue? |
We're all too busy eating Werther's Originals and discussing the weather. |
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| TrancePharoah |
| quote: | Originally posted by Snarcher!
it seems to me all the good true trance has been made.. now anything new just sounds like something that already was but no where near as good.
face it there will never be another oakenfold world tour of essential mixes, those were amazing.
have you heard armins ASOT episodes? they are such crap. |
Well i was never a fan of Oakenfold, and im not sure what good true trance was then. [Well Platipus + Lightening/bonzai records for me was trance!]
The comments about getting old and getting jobs are true, come to think about it, wonder what the average age is of posters now, the age dynamic would be interesting to see over time.
Your point about originality is understandable if you take into account the changes that have occured in terms of technology.
When i first started going to clubs in '97 i will freely admit i knew nothing about dance music let alone if any sub-genres existed. The only way i got to hear dance music was as a 17yr going to my first clubs, then to compliment clubbing i would buy cd's. If i wanted to hear new stuff i would have to clubs or wait for cd's.
Yet with recent times the explosion of internet and broadband, means that nothing is new! The amusing thing is most of these bedroom ravers that complain about tracks being old or having no style or orginality have never been to a club or understand the clubbing experience.
Anyway need not to rant (and make sweeping generalisations)
...not that the internet is a bad thing, its opened lots of new avenues in terms of listening experience to music, and created communities such as these, but I felt there was a unadulterated simplicity of 'clublife' and 'dance music', that seems to be lost today... |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrancePharoah
The amusing thing is most of these bedroom ravers that complain about tracks being old or having no style or orginality have never been to a club or understand the clubbing experience. |
you base this on what?
i agree with just about the rest of what you said though |
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| TrancePharoah |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
you base this on what?
i agree with just about the rest of what you said though |
Well its a hunch really, you have obviously posters who are just simply too young to have gone to clubs.
For me it always has been the test of a great track is a club, my motives for liking dance music is that it 'did something to me in a club'; maybe thats where my attitudes are old, maybe the audience is not for a full-on clubbing experience.
Its the harshness or level of criticism, when your at home, because you are free to decide what you want when you want it, your criticisms of certain aspects is much greater, i don't feel that the same level of harshness is applied when you go clubbing, mainly because there are so many other aspects to it (atmosphere, mood, people etc) so what could sound like a 'run of the mill' set on the radio could be very good in the club (obviously vice versa can happen) - but with this a certain degree of critical 'maturity' through experience comes about. [basically i think i did it the right way, went to clubs first got hooked, then branched out, but my main barometer is the club still, not so judgemental on what my earphones sound out - unless i want to dance and have a clubbing experience like i do in clubs whilst listening to my ipod walking down the road!]
Also in terms of age, many younger posters, who started listening to dance music through the 'net' (good on them) rather than first hand experience through a club, would hear tunes before they would hear them in a club, i.e. a 20yr-old now, would have heard PVD - For an Angel in his room, cd or something before a club (in most likelihood) would not have heard it first hand in a club...- and the judgement of his productions and dj' skills and sets are made there.
(btw this is only a point of view, would be interested to hear some of yours in regards to this..) |
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| Kinuvan |
I'm fed up of hearing the 'dance music is dead' argument from former UK trancesters. It's simply not true. Yes, the trance clubs are nothing compared to what they were, but a different clubs and different genres have taken their places, though admittedly not on the same scale.
One only has to glance at the international impressive lineups for the likes of Fabric (London), The Warehouse Project (Manchester), Circus / Chibuku (Liverpool), Urban Gorilla (Sheffield), Technique (Leeds) to see that dance music in the UK is definitely NOT dead. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrancePharoah
Well its a hunch really, you have obviously posters who are just simply too young to have gone to clubs. |
there is that.. it's just the 'armchair raver' term seems to get thrown around here so much by people who take offence to those who dish out criticism. they seem to think that anyone who has anything bad to say about a track has 'obviously not heard it in a club' & such other rubbish statements...
| quote: | | For me it always has been the test of a great track is a club, my motives for liking dance music is that it 'did something to me in a club'; maybe thats where my attitudes are old, maybe the audience is not for a full-on clubbing experience. |
i'm not sure i completely agree with that.. i definitely think it's an asset for a track to be dancefloor friendly & stand out on a massive system (some do it better than others). but i wouldn't say it was the hallmark of a 'great' track.. there have been loads of amazing pieces of EDM over the years that probably wouldn't work well at all in a club.
if you consider in say, any given year, how much time your average edm listener spends in a club compared to how much time they spend with headphones on.. you can see how there are other aspects to it than just sounding good in a clubbing environment
| quote: | | Its the harshness or level of criticism, when your at home, because you are free to decide what you want when you want it, your criticisms of certain aspects is much greater, i don't feel that the same level of harshness is applied when you go clubbing, mainly because there are so many other aspects to it (atmosphere, mood, people etc) so what could sound like a 'run of the mill' set on the radio could be very good in the club (obviously vice versa can happen) - but with this a certain degree of critical 'maturity' through experience comes about. |
this is true.. i can still have a good night out even if all the tunes aren't to my liking, but as you said it would probably be more because of the atmosphere & people.. so i wouldn't be able to really judge the tunes fairly (nor would i really be bothered about doing so.. unless it was something REALLY like anthem, heh) |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinuvan
though admittedly not on the same scale. |
that's the argument basically...
it's not dead or even dying; just significantly less mainstream than it was. whether that's necessarily a bad thing or not can vary from case to case though |
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