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Want to make a living from EDM music production? (pg. 4)
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| michaelconway |
Well I should have read this post before..
I quit my day job!
But I am spending important time working with audio as thats where I want my career to go. I think its BS to spend all your time and energy at a job only to be drained and lacking time to do things that make life enjoyable. I quit my job and don't really have money but you know what I am happy! I spend all day working on music and at night relax. When school starts im going to take full time audio classes.
I quit my job because I have a plan for a career in the audio field, whatever that may be.. post-production work for movies, Live sound,\ ect.
But am I realistic about my music or DJing? ofcourse I am.. Im not expecting to be "THe" next anything. I just want to be able to do what I have done in the past 6-7 years of my life because its my obsession.
Now I know this is kind off from what the topic was talking about, I just thought it was funny that I quit my job in order to persure a career in audio and music and thought I would share that with your guys. hehe |
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| echosystm |
Theres nothing wrong with looking for a job in the general music/arts field, I think this thread was aimed more towards being a dance producer/DJ. Obviously those areas you stated are sectors where you actually can make a living.
Like all arts jobs, the statistics are against you and you'll probably be scraping along on your ass for most of your life, but for some people that is better than burying their soul in 9-5 work. :p |
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| Nemesis44 |
Man don't let JF get you down. Whilst I have a lot of respect for the man and he is a great DJ to work with, his posts can be somewhat too sobering at times. Sometimes even to the degree that he could be considered negative.
It is matter of fact but not everything is grim in the music business, and lets look at it for a moment. The group of Producers who were making the silly money back in the day are the same guys now who are still on top in terms of DJing and Producing. What we are seeing is an industry that is really tough to make it big in, living up to it's reputation of being really tough to break through.
The business landscape has changed but if you make the right track at the right time and the right person hears it, you may well find yourself on that road to fame.
Ultimately there are more people doing it and from that aspect it's harder, but still not impossible.
Besides for anyone out there who isn't both a DJ and Producer, your chances have always been pretty slim in comparison to someone who does both.
It's easier to sign to an agency if you have a few productions out there with a decent level of airplay.
With regards to Mister Conway... the path that you have chosen is different and probably a very wise one as you will get a lot of knowledge and create great contacts.
Cheers
Nem |
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| sterilis |
| some deep deep thinking going on here. nice read! |
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| Infinit |
well first off being straight with the label you work with should be common sense. what J00F said goes for all business in all industries...you need to be honest and disciplined when working with people. its called being professional. he's probably running into unprofessional people more and more simply because there's so many young kids sending in tracks to labels now because of accessibility, and they have zero experience in business situations. everything they've learned, they've learned from TV and movies :rolleyes:
Lolo, you mentioned increased costs of bread etc. thats not a new phenomenon like the internet/mp3s imo, but I do agree it certainly contributes to the problems an artist has paying the bills simply because his/her wages/income haven't increased with the rate of inflation because the industry has gone belly-up.
also, mp3 sharing has certainly hurt the major labels. the big guys over here in the US are scrambling right now to figure out how to adapt. of course they didn't get hit or blindsided like the indie labels (cause of the amount of capital/assets they own). but when you've got major artists like madonna leaving the major labels in the dust nowadays, you know they're hurting, change is coming.
as for your question of why to we have to pay for this crisis? not sure if you mean we the indie labels or we the consumer...but either way its we who have created this pedestal for the commercial artists. its consumerism that has driven the progression from simple passionate music writing to huge labels controlling the airwaves. the labels could never have come this far without the consumers pumping money into them. they have nothing if the consumer decides to stop paying their money and stop paying attention to them. the major labels don't truly control the markets, in the end it is the consumer who has the control.
look at itunes as an example. 22% of all music sales in the U.S. is now done through itunes. its not because steve jobs is an evil businessman raping our natural resources. its because the latest generation (15-30 yr olds) has adopted the ipod as their go-to media player...even though there's wonderful alternative media players out there. apple simply has a cooler more consistent ad campaign compared to the practically non-existant ad campaigns put out by other companies. the consumer hasn't taken the time to research the media player market, they've decided that because ipod is in their face, it must be the best.
problem is most people don't take half a second to realize this and they'd rather bitch about major corporations controlling the world instead of getting together and changing things. hippie movement as not (for the most part) and will not be the force for change. there's too much emotion wrapped up in that world and not enough discipline and education.
I don't know how to solve this music industry issue, but luckily capitalism is fueled by competition in the markets which means a solution is bound to show up fairly fast compared to other methods for creating change. we'll see how things go. |
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| aNYthing |
good read... but damn, if J00F posted it in cOr, spelling police would have his ass!
| quote: | | As I mentioned before, anyone today has access to a PC and can release a track as a digital file, and to be honest there's a lot of cheap sounding rubbish music out there cluttering the shops and this is why record labels will always play and important roll. The A&R guys behind good labels have the ears to source talented producers and also ensure the finished tracks are produced, engineered and mastered to the highest quality. They will advise and guide you to the next level in your career, these guys could have the power to make or break a career and it's why you must respect them. Unfortunately this often doesn't happen as many newcomers come into this industry completely blind with ridicules expectations due to lack of knowledge. Every time I come back from a music conference I hear the same recurring stories of new producers hassling the labels they've signed tracks too because they're simply nieve to what's going on. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
good read... but damn, if J00F posted it in cOr, spelling police would have his ass! |
Probably would indeed :). Personally I hate the spelling police types, it's ignorance, snobbery and often hypocrisy to the highest degree. Not everyone here has English as a first language, some may be dyslexic like myself.
J00F always gives good info and people should look at content. Someone who is that anal about other peoples spelling should become a teacher of English not a DJ.
But I agree, his English isn't wonderful by any means. lol ;)
Cheers
Nem |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by aNYthing
good read... but damn, if J00F posted it in cOr, spelling police would have his ass! |
it's the internet. cares?
if you want to see some real illiteracy, head over to futureproducers.com (hip hop producer forum). :stongue: |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
it's the internet. cares?
if you want to see some real illiteracy, head over to futureproducers.com (hip hop producer forum). :stongue: |
ooooooo, don't even get me started on FP - what a conglameration of lame bumpkins... not even mentioning that most of it dedicated to Hip Hop. Tho ocasionaly you get some really great gems like n00b axin why he can't get his $1300 Roland AX-7 to make any sound, even tho he hooked up with his $80 Monster MIDI cables to his sound blaster joystick port... and how come his Emagic AMT|8 SOUND MODULE is not making any sound, even when he hooked0r3d up his new AX-7 to it.
(no joke). |
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| thecYrus |
| quote: | Originally posted by emc^2
ooooooo, don't even get me started on FP - what a conglameration of lame bumpkins... not even mentioning that most of it dedicated to Hip Hop. Tho ocasionaly you get some really great gems like n00b axin why he can't get his $1300 Roland AX-7 to make any sound, even tho he hooked up with his $80 Monster MIDI cables to his sound blaster joystick port... and how come his Emagic AMT|8 SOUND MODULE is not making any sound, even when he hooked0r3d up his new AX-7 to it.
(no joke). |
hahah :D the best place to hang out if you don't know what to do :P |
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| zodiac9 |
I had no problem understanding J00F's blog, so he must have a good grasp of the English language. I've seen much worse, we all have. Sometimes it's unreadable.
Futureproducers.com, eh? Never been there. Sounds awful though. I suppose they are all into "making beats". YO YO YO MF'ers. I just have no tolerance for the hip hop culture, or the music. True dat!
I can't stand DnB, it sounds like garbage to me, but ironically, I like speed metal. I think of DnB as the speed metal of EDM. Well, along with happy hardcore that is. |
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