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Muslims wanting to convert whole of Britain to Islam?
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| LazFX |
Interesting.....and when I first heard of this a few months back, I thought allot to do about nothing... but now??
Is London destined to become "Londonstan"?
| quote: | A Muslim group that wants to open a giant £100 million mosque in London has set its sights on “winning the whole of Britain to Islam”.
Tablighi Jamaat aims to build an Islamic complex near to the site of the 2012 Olympic stadium, with a mosque for 12,000 people, by far the largest religious building in Britain.
The organisation, which has millions of followers worldwide, insists that it is a peaceful, apolitical revivalist movement that promotes Islamic consciousness among individual Muslims. However, intelligence agencies have cautioned that the group’s ability to fire young men with a zeal for Islam acts as a staging post, for some, along a path that leads to jihadist terrorism.
Kafeel Ahmed, the Indian doctor who died from burns last month after trying to set off a car bomb at Glasgow Airport, is the latest in a line of terrorists for whose initial radicalisation Tablighi Jamaat has been blamed. The group (literally, the preaching party) belongs to the ultra-conservative Deobandi school of thought within Sunni Islam, whose adherents run more than 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques.
n recent days The Times has exposed the virulently anti-Western creed of some British Deobandis who preach that non-Muslims are an evil and corrupting influence. Their defensive, isolationist approach to life in Britain is shared by many British supporters of Tablighi Jamaat.
One leading advocate, Ebrahim Rangooni, has said that the movement seeks to “rescue the ummah [the global Muslim community] from the culture and civilisation of the Jews, the Christians and [other] enemies of Islam”. Its aim, he wrote, is to “create such hatred for their ways as human beings have for urine and excreta”.
Mr Rangooni has also given warning to parents that non-Muslim schools “turn humans into animals” and that sending a Muslim child to a British college “is as dangerous as throwing them into hell with your own hands”.
Representatives of Tablighi Jamaat refused to attend a public meeting on Friday to discuss plans for the “mega mosque” in West Ham, even though the debate was organised by a Muslim group.
Tablighi Jamaat was founded in 1926, in India, by a Deobandi scholar, Muhammad Ilyas, who wanted to raise Islamic awareness among rural Muslims in south Asia. He promised them that by obeying Islamic laws and following the example of the Prophet Muhammad in their personal lives they would one day “dominate over non-believers” and become “masters of everything on this earth”.
Ishaq Patel, Tablighi Jamaat’s first amir (leader) in Britain, is said to have been on pilgrimage in Mecca when Ilyas’s successor gave him a long-term mission to win “the whole of Britain to Islam”.
Yoginder Sikand, a Muslim expert on the movement, says that its ethos of “social and cultural separatism and insularity” seeks “to minimise contacts with people of other faiths”.
The self-segregation that this encourages is evident in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire, where the group has its European headquarters. The Tablighi Jamaat complex – housing its large Markazi mosque and a Deobandi seminary called the Islamic Institute of Education - is based in the Savile Town area, which has an 88 per cent Asian population. The overwhelming majority of its 5,000 residents are Muslims from Pakistan or the Gujarat region of India and some, at home and at work, have little contact with nonMuslims.
It was on the advice of a Tablighi Jamaat scholar that Aishah Azmi, a Dewsbury teaching assistant, refused to remove her full-face veil in the class-room while helping young children who were learning to speak English.
Mr Sikand says: “There is little doubt that the sense of cultural separatism and heightened [Islamic] identity consciousness fostered by Tablighi Jamaat can be taken advantage of by more assertive Islamist groups that have a more explicit political agenda.”
One of the suicide bombers who attacked London in July 2005, Shehzad Tanweer, studied at the Deobandi seminary in Dewsbury and Mohammad Sidique Khan, the leader of the 7/7 terror plot, was a regular worshipper at the adjoining mosque. Richard Reid, the shoe bomber, was said to have been influenced by Tablighi Jamaat, several of whose adherents were also among those arrested last year over an alleged plot to blow up transatlantic airliners.
Shabbir Daji, a trustee and secretary of the Tablighi Jamaat mosque in Dewsbury, told The Times that the movement’s aim was “unity among all humanity”. He said that it had no hidden agenda. “We never come out on demonstrations against the Government,” he said. “Our aim is to make each and everyone . . . a better Muslim.”
More than 250,000 people have signed a Downing Street petition against the London mosque. Local opposition is being led by Alan Craig, a Christian Peoples Alliance member of Newham council. He accuses Tablight Jamaat of being “a separatist sect that preaches a them-and-us approach to relations with the nonMuslim community” and encourages the creation of “Islamic enclaves” in Britain.
“There are many moderate Muslims who object to the teachings of Tablighi Jamaat. They know that it preaches hostility to non-Muslims. Some have friends and family members who have been radicalised by this movement.”
Irfan al Alawi, international director of the Centre for Islamic Pluralism, says the missionary work of Tablighi Jamaat acts as “a recruitment agency for jihad” in Afghanistan, the occupied territories and Iraq. “They go around deprived areas of British towns and cities, knocking on doors and urging young Muslims to come to their gatherings,” he said.
“The mega-mosque complex would become a flagship for Tablighi Jamaat’s mission to indoctrinate Muslims with a hatred of the West and the kuffar [non-Mulims].”
Tabligh Jamaat is expected to submit a formal planning application for the West Ham mosque before the end of the year. |
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| Purple |
| Christian Missionaries want the same for Africa.. and they are making it happen to a large extent.. |
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| George Smiley |
| Aye there's two Mormon missionaries (from bloody America) that constantly patrol the street outside where I work as Leeds University is just up the road, trying to convert anyone who has the misfortune to walk past them. I just wish they'd off back to their own country and take their religious fundamentalism with them :mad: |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Is London destined to become "Londonstan"? |
The term is actually 'Londonistan', coined by the UK's answer to Ann Coulter - Melanie Phillips (the only difference being I would love to Ms Coulter all over the place, but Ms Phillips is a bit of a dog)
I don't think this Mosque will get planning permission to be built (altho the mayor of London is an extreme left wing tosser who made a speech the other week in which he cried apologising to black people, on behalf of white people, for the slave trade! Well I'm not ing sorry Ken cos I didn't do it!!). Erm anyway, the opposition to this project is unsurprisingly very strong, in fact it is the Prime Minister's petition with the secong highest number of signatories EVER (link) but it appears there isn't actually any planning permission anyway.
The Deobandi strand of Islam is effectively the Pakistani version of the Saudi Wahabbist strand. These are the two strands of Islam that produced the Jihadis that fought the Russians in Afghanistan and had a major influence on the Taliban who set up shop in Afghanistan, who in turn gave a home to Bin Laden and al-Qaida.
There is a problem with certain sections of the Muslim community in the UK, but this gets all blown out of proportion by the media and it plays tricks on people like LazFX who then acquire the false idea that a majority of Muslims in the UK are trying to take over the country. And seeing as religions tend to view themselves as the "one true" religion that everyone else should follow if they knew what's best for them, it's not hard to find plenty of quotes to back that false claim up.
But like I said, there is a problem in the UK for a small section of the community and I think this is due to an identity crisis amongst young Muslims who are torn between their traditionalist Islamic roots and their British citizenship. They don't feel connected to either, as their parent's traditionalist culture (marrying your cousins etc) or the fact that most Imams are foreign and don't speak English push them away from their traditional Islamic roots whereas the lack of acceptance from a white, Christian British polulation pushes them away from emersing themselves in that particular culture. Young people, especially males, crave for an identity. And who has stepped into fill this hole? Mainly foreign Jihadis who see the disaffected youth as easy pickings for indoctrination in their particular brand of Islam. The Jihadis quite simply made their version of Islam more accesible to these youths than the tradtionalists did - and with very good success for those youths that wanted to identify themselves as Muslims and were interested in their culture.
And of course, altho LazFX does not like to hear this, the Jihadis would have a hell of a lot harder job in recruiting these disaffected youths were it not for American policy in the Middle East, and the apparent belief that UK foreign policy is somehow subserviant to following America's lead. UK foreign policy is also one of the contributing factors preventing these youths from embracing British culture as the majority of their ilk do.
All in all, it gives us plenty of scope to address the situation, without having to resort to deporting every Mulsim we can find from this country as no doubt the readers of the Times, the Daily Mail, LazFX, Firestarter, Lillith (who will no doubt be reading this thread even tho she claims to have "quit"!) would quite like to do! |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I just wish they'd off back to their own country and take their religious fundamentalism with them :mad: |
Wow, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black...... |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
And of course, altho LazFX does not like to hear this, the Jihadis would have a hell of a lot harder job in recruiting these disaffected youths were it not for American policy in the Middle East, and the apparent belief that UK foreign policy is somehow subserviant to following America's lead. UK foreign policy is also one of the contributing factors preventing these youths from embracing British culture as the majority of their ilk do. |
Did I hit a nerve??? And if you read some of my posts on the current quagmire this admin has got my country in, you would know that I am against what "you" would consider the excuse for the Jihadist. So what you stated is old hat to me....
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All in all, it gives us plenty of scope to address the situation, without having to resort to deporting every Mulsim we can find from this country as no doubt the readers of the Times, the Daily Mail, LazFX, Firestarter, Lillith (who will no doubt be reading this thread even tho she claims to have "quit"!) would quite like to do! |
Yes, the fact is a Muslim Group wants to build a center..... so what?
but now these very same muslims also like to preach and talk hate about non-muslims.... why the fock would any one with half a brain not have issue with this?? |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
There is a problem with certain sections of the Muslim community in the UK, but this gets all blown out of proportion by the media and it plays tricks on people like LazFX who then acquire the false idea that a majority of Muslims in the UK are trying to take over the country.
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:rolleyes: |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Wow, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black...... |
"Seeing as we are unfamiliar with sarcasm, I shall close the register at this point, and state that 99 cents is the rental price" |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
Did I hit a nerve??? |
Seeing as you agree with what I say, why would you have hit a nerve?
| quote: | Yes, the fact is a Muslim Group wants to build a center..... so what?
but now these very same muslims also like to preach and talk hate about non-muslims.... why the fock would any one with half a brain not have issue with this?? |
Who doesn't have an issue with that? :conf:
Besides, I think you misread my point - that you've made a bit of a habit in the past of labelling the majority of Muslims as Jihadis instead of acknowledging it is in fact a minority... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
:rolleyes: |
Even the title of this thread and your opening comments suggest I was right to say that... |
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| shaolin_Z |
You know what's great about this thread title and it's theme, delusional paranoia or reality, it's hillarious eigther way.
"The Muslims are coming!" LOL, right...
"We're going to convert this entire nation to a Muslim nation." Uhhh... ok... whatever you say... LOL
Laz, did you know George is the first atheist Muslim in Britain and in fact the world  ?
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