Originally posted by Fledz
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
This is going in my sig!
Suck my arse-tongue you third-rate football wanker :D
whatever you say serb.
Az
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Originally posted by Ian
I think the booing was as much for the manager. most people disliked him & it was to show displeasure. I think that he was the wrong appointment, it was too cosy a thing for the fa to do & now we as a nation will miss out, but it, if it brings in a bigger man, then we'll take it.
prime example of england fans being idiots, and the FA being chumps.
McLarens record in cup competitions is fantastic, and again when we were 2 down at half time he made the changes that needed to be made, we pulled it back to 2-2 and the players ed it up, not McLaren. But this was a league, and we had noone in with him with a proven league competition record.
It wasn't mclarens fault noone closed down the the croatian for the 3rd goal.
It wasn't McLarens fault the form English goalkeeper made a horrendous error for the first goal.
It wasn't McLarens fault that the best (fit) english centre back let the ball through his legs for the second.
It wasn't his fault that the best (fit) english left back fell to pieces, and probably had the worst game of his career.
It wasn't his fault that Steven Gerrard had probably the worst game of his career.
It wasn't his fault that Frank Lampard failed to make the runs everytime Peter Crouch attempted to lay the ball on to him.
The sheer expectation, and the pressure got to the players tonight, and the only player who can hold his head high is Peter Crouch (excuse the pun), he did everything asked of him and the players around him were to scared to make mistakes instead of committing.
The FA needs to seriously look at their "style of play" policy, because if you think McLaren picked the initial line up and tactics then you're a mug, as soon as the FA realise that we aren't Italy and we need to play to our strengths the better, it's the reason Paul Scholes retired from international football in his prime, and rumours are it was the reason Shearer did as well. Fast and direct, instead of dicking about with it at the back, playing for a ing draw.
Ian
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Originally posted by Az
prime example of england fans being idiots, and the FA being chumps.
McLarens record in cup competitions is fantastic, and again when we were 2 down at half time he made the changes that needed to be made, we pulled it back to 2-2 and the players ed it up, not McLaren. But this was a league, and we had noone in with him with a proven league competition record.
It wasn't mclarens fault noone closed down the the croatian for the 3rd goal.
It wasn't McLarens fault the form English goalkeeper made a horrendous error for the first goal.
It wasn't McLarens fault that the best (fit) english centre back let the ball through his legs for the second.
It wasn't his fault that the best (fit) english left back fell to pieces, and probably had the worst game of his career.
It wasn't his fault that Steven Gerrard had probably the worst game of his career.
It wasn't his fault that Frank Lampard failed to make the runs everytime Peter Crouch attempted to lay the ball on to him.
The sheer expectation, and the pressure got to the players tonight, and the only player who can hold his head high is Peter Crouch (excuse the pun), he did everything asked of him and the players around him were to scared to make mistakes instead of committing.
The FA needs to seriously look at their "style of play" policy, because if you think McLaren picked the initial line up and tactics then you're a mug, as soon as the FA realise that we aren't Italy and we need to play to our strengths the better, it's the reason Paul Scholes retired from international football in his prime, and rumours are it was the reason Shearer did as well. Fast and direct, instead of dicking about with it at the back, playing for a ing draw.
I don't think he has any respect from the players though, you need to play for someone you respect, it's been shown with many players of all nationalities. I don't think they think he's any good at all, and some of the choices he (or the fa have made) are stupid.
We had a great under21 tournament in the summer, Micah Richards was excellent at centreback, somewhere we needed him tonight, Steven Taylor was also immense, and at right back, nedham onouha was a rock. Ashley Young, Agbonlahor, Milner, Bentley & the likes have all done well recently, yet he picks Defoe & Bent as our 2nd/3rd forwards for this squad, they're the 3rd & 4th choice at spurs ffs ;) Mclaren has insisted however on picking squads with players like Jenas, Downing, Carrick, Phil Neville etc, which is not good enough. The manager gets the extra 20% out of the players what makes them from good into great, and it doesn't happen for england. We all know Gerrard is class, that lampard plays well for chelski, but why doesn't the latter especially for england? Just look at what big sam did for Bolton, he made us believe we were better than we were & for a long time, it worked, we need a guy like him, or how cloughie was, someone with the guts but brains too, and right now, the only guy who has that is Mourinho, someone who believes in his own ability so much because it simply works for him.
DJ Itchy Tits
make that 21.
21. Croatian chicks didn't shave their poonaner until Yugoslavia fell apart.
Az
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Originally posted by Ian
I don't think he has any respect from the players though, you need to play for someone you respect, it's been shown with many players of all nationalities. I don't think they think he's any good at all, and some of the choices he (or the fa have made) are stupid.
thats absolutely ridiculous Ian, despite what your and the rest of the publics respect levels are for McLaren, within the game he's regarded as one of the best coaches in the world, and, like I've said, his record as a coach speaks for itself
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Originally posted by Ian
We had a great under21 tournament in the summer, Micah Richards was excellent at centreback, somewhere we needed him tonight,
who would have played right back? surely Micah Richards is our best right back with Gary Neville being injured?
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Originally posted by Ian
Steven Taylor was also immense
been pretty ing appalling for Newcastle this season though, hasn't he?
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Originally posted by Ian
and at right back, nedham onouha was a rock.
doesn't get in the City team at the minute though due to Vedran Corluka
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Ashley Young, Agbonlahor, Milner, Bentley
all massively inexperienced, and not better than any of the players that were on the field tonight, all that would have done was create a new generation of scapegoats before they'd been given a chance. Apart from David Bentley, he's deserving of being a ing scapegoat, he's a piece of ing .
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Originally posted by Ian
& the likes have all done well recently, yet he picks Defoe & Bent as our 2nd/3rd forwards for this squad, they're the 3rd & 4th choice at spurs ffs ;)
who else? they're not 3rd or 4th strikers, they're in a (flawed) rotation system, and they've both scored goals this season. Defoe has a proven track record with Crouch in the U21's and U19's, and Darren Bent is going to be a world class striker.
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Originally posted by Ian
Mclaren has insisted however on picking squads with players like Jenas, Downing, Carrick, Phil Neville etc,
where were any of those players tonight? Jenas has been playing pretty ing well for spurs this season, Downing is and wasn't there, Carrick was instrumental in Man Utd winning the title last season, and whether you like it or not, Phil Neville would have run his off for England, and probably done a better job than Bridge at left back.
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Originally posted by Ian
which is not good enough. The manager gets the extra 20% out of the players what makes them from good into great,
how many times did Boro need to score 4 in the second half/leg of a tie in his last season in charge there, when we were 2-0 down at half time, he made the changes that resulted in us levelling the match.
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Originally posted by Ian
and it doesn't happen for england.
this is true, blame the FA
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Originally posted by Ian
We all know Gerrard is class,
do we? realistically, when was the last time you saw him looking world class? the west ham FA cup final? yeah exactly/
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that lampard plays well for chelski, but why doesn't the latter especially for england?
because he doesn't have Claude Makelele looking after him, the same way Zindane never looked that good without Makelele or Deschamps etc..
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Originally posted by Ian
Just look at what big sam did for Bolton, he made us believe we were better than we were & for a long time,
all well and good, but he had the players there every day in training, drilling it into them, McLaren works with them 4/5 weeks a year. As much as I'd like it, I doubt Allardyce could do the job.
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Originally posted by Ian
it worked, we need a guy like him, or how cloughie was, someone with the guts but brains too, and right now, the only guy who has that is Mourinho, someone who believes in his own ability so much because it simply works for him.
the only man for the job is Mourinho, but he'd have to be ing mental to take it
Ian
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Originally posted by Az
the only man for the job is Mourinho, but he'd have to be ing mental to take it
Isn't that what endears him to us though? We'll have to wait & see. And holy quotefest :p
to reply in a way...
onouha may be young/unproven but i'd still have taken him at fullback, with richards in the middle, i like micah there, he just has a presence about him.
Bentley might be a cocky but he's just like beckham was at that age, you either love or hate him as a person, you can't deny the talent, which is what we need, people who can do a trick or beat a man consistently.
I still can't believe in Bent tho, there's just an unconvincing look to him... i'd rate Ashton, Agbonlahor, Walcott, Nugent & even Smith ahead of him. speaking of smithy, was he injured or suspended? he was just the kind of forward we could've made use of, as big as crouch is, I think he plays well off someone else as much as doing it himself, and Smithy would've def put a shift in.
And yeah, a lot of them are inexperienced, but how do they get it? leaving them away from it won't help, you have to look at the talent & hope they don't let it get to them.
Ian
Just to add
we played a meaningless friendly in Austria on Friday. Mclaren could've blooded the younger guys & rested someone as important as Owen who then got injured & we know the rest.
Az
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Originally posted by Ian
onouha may be young/unproven but i'd still have taken him at fullback, with richards in the middle, i like micah there, he just has a presence about him.
playing someone who has hardly played all season for their CLUB because they aren't good enough yet, in place of someone who's performed exceptionally at right back for the past 3/4 games for england? ahead of Luke Young + others? who've been playing, and quite well? mental
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Originally posted by Ian
Bentley might be a cocky but he's just like beckham was at that age, you either love or hate him as a person, you can't deny the talent, which is what we need, people who can do a trick or beat a man consistently.
you must be watching a different David Betnely ;), than I have for the past few years, a Kid who's been told he's going to be a great player one day started believing his own hype a little too soon. He's a ball greedy diver, who constantly seeks glory for himself instead of his team, why Hughes persists in playing him I don't know. The reason Bentley wasn't in there instead of Wright-Phillips, Beckham, Cole etc.. is because he's not good enough, he s around with the ball too much. The reason Beckham was at the top of his game for so long was because he'd either cross a perfect ball first time, or take one touch and then cross the ball. No ing about, get the ball in with pin point accuracy. Bentley s around trying to beat players 3/4 times before he gets the ball in, thinking it looks good, meanwhile the defence has time to set itself, and his average delivery lets everyone down, thats if he managed to beat his man. If he was that good Wenger wouldn't have let him go for all, considering the right wing is currently Arsenals weak point.
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Originally posted by Ian
I still can't believe in Bent tho, there's just an unconvincing look to him... i'd rate Ashton
i'd rate ashton above him as well, injured though isn't he?
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Agbonlahor
very pacey, very inconsistent as well, gets lost in games far too often
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Walcott
not scored in the premier league, Bent has scored 40+ times? in less than 100 games?
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, Nugent
so good harry redknapp tried selling him within a week of him joining portsmouth
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Originally posted by Ian
& even Smith ahead of him. speaking of smithy, was he injured or suspended?
neither, I doubt he'd have done a job though with Crouch, similar types of player, but Crouch is better, and less likely to get sent off in the big games
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Originally posted by Ian
And yeah, a lot of them are inexperienced, but how do they get it? leaving them away from it won't help, you have to look at the talent & hope they don't let it get to them.
I see your point, but putting any of those players into this game would have resulted in a much worse result, our most experienced players buckled, can you imagine what would have happened to the rest of them?
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Originally posted by Ian
Just to add
we played a meaningless friendly in Austria on Friday. Mclaren could've blooded the younger guys & rested someone as important as Owen who then got injured & we know the rest.
i'm pretty sure he was testing a system for the croatia game, which resulted in our only world class striker getting injured, blooding new players should never been in the managers mind for the Austria game
Fledz
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
whatever you say serb.
