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Boring mixing (pg. 3)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
I've always thought this too. The advent of Ableton is likely to see this kind of consideration amongst DJs decrease.
Some of PvD's older sets were simply track to track, mixed gently and flawlessly. Now they're just a series of loops, effects and fancy transitions. Don't get me wrong, PvD does what he does very well, but I think it's a case of not actually needing to. |
Music changes and while this might have been the case where a song contained all of the emotion within it, this is all the mixing one needed to do and maybe one could do.
Anyways, I have listened to PvD's early 90s sets and I completely disagree with you. He mixes like everyone mixed back then, which is energetic with sharp cuts and lots of layering. he 92 may dubmission set is a prime example of this.
Even when he went to a gentler mixing style it was always energetic and he wasn't just mixing track to track but carefully phrasing the tracks to keep energy high. |
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| Beat Blog |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
I've always thought this too. The advent of Ableton is likely to see this kind of consideration amongst DJs decrease.
Some of PvD's older sets were simply track to track, mixed gently and flawlessly. Now they're just a series of loops, effects and fancy transitions. Don't get me wrong, PvD does what he does very well, but I think it's a case of not actually needing to. |
Blergh, Ableton, tell me about it.
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| nefardec |
| when they make ableton like things for windows surface where you can just throw vinyl records and cds on a computerized tabletop as well as play mp3s , then i will switch to computer. |
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| Alex |
I think some Ableton DJs go too damn far, while others start out interesting then revert to mixing 2 tracks together.
There's an in between that's very cool, where one can do some really cool (more subtle) stuff to add to their set as a whole. Instead of blatant track destruction that I see so many Ableton DJs are guilty of :( |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
There's an in between that's very cool, where one can do some really cool (more subtle) stuff to add to their set as a whole. |
Yep, it's all about the subtlety.
I think we've all seen enough showboating DJs to not be too impressed by big tricks nowadays. But if someone can use technical skill to really enhance a set and make it move in different ways, then they've got my vote. |
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| Alex |
| That's just it, we're back in a phase where the HUGE BOMB ASS tracks just don't fly as much, people do seem to be reacting more to how a DJ presents a set instead of how they "fill" their set. |
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| lücid |
i think it really depends what style of music you're playing, and being able to identify what style of mixing will work for the tracks you're playing. a lot of the stuff i play doesn't lend well to long 3-minute layered transitions with all sorts of crazy EQing and effects, so in cases like that i'll try to focus more on harmonic/melodic compatibility between tracks or the general vibe/feeling of one track to the next to keep things interesting.
creating a good transition is about way more than just technical ability, imo. i've seen technically amazing DJs who played piss-boring sets. i've also seen DJs whose mixing was pretty simple and safe, but their flow and phrasing and track selection blew my socks off. i think really great DJs are the ones who are able to find the balance between all the elements that make a set memorable.
also, this might seem weird but sometimes i really enjoy when a DJ starts to lose a mix but then brings it back and just nails it. obviously i don't want to hear a trainwreck, but if something is just a tad bit off but they recover quickly, i'm like "hell YEAH!" |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
i think it really depends what style of music you're playing, and being able to identify what style of mixing will work for the tracks you're playing. a lot of the stuff i play doesn't lend well to long 3-minute layered transitions with all sorts of crazy EQing and effects, so in cases like that i'll try to focus more on harmonic/melodic compatibility between tracks or the general vibe/feeling of one track to the next to keep things interesting.
creating a good transition is about way more than just technical ability, imo. i've seen technically amazing DJs who played piss-boring sets. i've also seen DJs whose mixing was pretty simple and safe, but their flow and phrasing and track selection blew my socks off. i think really great DJs are the ones who are able to find the balance between all the elements that make a set memorable.
also, this might seem weird but sometimes i really enjoy when a DJ starts to lose a mix but then brings it back and just nails it. obviously i don't want to hear a trainwreck, but if something is just a tad bit off but they recover quickly, i'm like "hell YEAH!" |
Word, a little slippage makes it more organic. |
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| dukes |
Boring mixing for me would be going from one track to the next in the same way every time.
Boring set building would be same types of songs for an entire set that just does not seem to go anywhere.
Personally i like to try change how each track goes into the next. Sometimes changing early, sometimes late, sometimes using EQs heavily, sometimes minimal EQs ect ect. As long as not all the transitions are different its fine.
For set building i have a really annoying habit of starting off melodic and ending more techy. Since i kind of stopped playing for the past year or 2 i plan on building up again from scratch in a new way to try stop my own boring set building. |
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| Beatflux |
Ableton users aren't beatmatching so they aren't really DJing.
CDJ users aren't using records, so they aren't really DJing.
People using two turntables aren't really DJing, because back in the day the DJ only had one turntable.
If you aren't scratching, PAing, putting on a neat lightshow, and jumping up and down like a maniac while cranking the generator powering all of your equipment...you aren't really a DJ.
Will you haters just give it a rest and respect ANY form of DJing? |
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| Trance Nutter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Word, a little slippage makes it more organic. |
awesome, my mixes are super organic:toothless |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
Ableton users aren't beatmatching so they aren't really DJing.
CDJ users aren't using records, so they aren't really DJing.
People using two turntables aren't really DJing, because back in the day the DJ only had one turntable.
If you aren't scratching, PAing, putting on a neat lightshow, and jumping up and down like a maniac while cranking the generator powering all of your equipment...you aren't really a DJ.
Will you haters just give it a rest and respect ANY form of DJing? |
lol exactly.
DJing is playing recorded music to an audience. Doesn't matter how you're doing it, why you're doing it or how big the audience is (it might even just be yourself) - it's still DJing. |
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