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Teacher arrested in Sudan for naming teddy Mohammed (pg. 10)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
Again, you understimate the will of the citizens to be pure on their own, which is why I pointed out that you can find conservative people in North America, too (not extremists, but what I was referring to above). |
If the motivation provided by Islam is so great, why does Saudi need all the oppressive laws and extreme punishments?
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The truth is that most people want some debauchery now and then. When premarital sex and alcohol and all sorts of other things are available, people like indulging in them.
But the old men who rule these primitive backwaters will have none of it. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
I declare a jihad on both of you and will rape your families and children.
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Well, you shouldn't rape any of the men in their families because that would make you a homosexual and Pakistani civil law punishes those who have gay sex with two years to life in prison. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if citizens have a will to be pure on their own, why do they need laws to enforce morality? |
In my opinion (not sure what the intentions of the founders of the country were), establishing laws such as the shutting down of commerce for each prayer time was to make it easier for the citizens to follow their religion. I think a lot of the rules are there as a matter of convenience. In a utopia, citizens would all be such impeccable believers that you're right, such laws wouldn't be necessary. Some people are more devout than others, and I guess the Saudi regime believes that establishing strict laws where pain and life may be risked, it will make the messages in the Quran clearer to follow! The regime assumes their interpretation is correct, of course, which is always debatable (due to the embedding of Saudi culture in their laws).
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
If the motivation provided by Islam is so great, why does Saudi need all the oppressive laws and extreme punishments?
:haha:
The truth is that most people want some debauchery now and then. When premarital sex and alcohol and all sorts of other things are available, people like indulging in them.
But the old men who rule these primitive backwaters will have none of it. |
The motivation provided by Islam is no greater than Judaism and Christianity! It's up to people to embody the principles and follow them. Again, your perspective of oppression and extreme is different from the people who live there. I share the frustration with you that there can be isolated decisions made by a judge(s) that appear to be too harsh or inappropriate, but that doesn't mean the law or more importantly the religion itself should be questioned.
Trust me, there's lots of premarital sex and alcohol going on in Saudi Arabia (I was there till 18 ffs! ;) :p) especially on a couple of palace visits. (On another note--you may hate these guys so much but if you just had a chance to experience first-hand how they live--lol you'll probably hate them more!!!! but have SO much fun! :D) But the smart citizen knows how to be discreet, just like here. If you want to have an orgy, you're not going to go to a public building and do it in public view!!!
Yes, the above scenario is not ideal, that you don't have as many freedoms for debauchery as you do here, and you have to hide to do what you really want (at least the few badasses like us). However, I think you should respect the fact that intention of the religious/legal system is to promote virtue and minimize vice, which is a commendable venture (albeit results in a few deplorable consequences).
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Well, technically you can't rape any of the men in their families because that would make you a homosexual and Pakistani civil law punishes those who have gay sex with two years to life in prison. |
Well, maybe I WANT to go to prison to have more gay sex!!! Ever thought of that?!!? :rolleyes: (I see you corrected the logic in your original post ;) Smart! :))
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
Trust me, there's lots of premarital sex and alcohol going on in Saudi Arabia (I was there till 18 ffs! ;) :p) especially on a couple of palace visits. |
Cool, but then what you have is a bunch of hypocrisy, lots of people publicly claiming allegiance to laws but privately breaking them. Not my idea of a good political situation, but whatever suits you, I guess...
| quote: | | (On another note--you may hate these guys so much but if you just had a chance to experience first-hand how they live--lol you'll probably hate them more!!!! but have SO much fun! :D) |
I don't hate anybody for making stupid laws. I just feel sorry for people who get hurt by them.
More than ten years ago, my dad had the opportunity to move (and take his family) to Saudi for his work. I'm glad he didn't take it. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
Well, maybe I WANT to go to prison to have more gay sex!!! Ever thought of that?!!? :rolleyes: |
Aw you are a fun Muslim. I think I heart you. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
All this just further questions why people devote such large periods of their lives in helping these ungrateful idiots. I've read that some are now calling for the death penalty. What is this, the ing middle ages?
Yes, lets burn that mother ing witch!!!! |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Cool, but then what you have is a bunch of hypocrisy, lots of people publicly claiming allegiance to laws but privately breaking them. Not my idea of a good political situation, but whatever suits you, I guess... |
As I said, this is a very small minority of the population. If the majority of the population was a hypocrite, there would be a different government system. Also, thanks for calling me a hypocrite! :D lol yes, I admit we all have our indulgences but they are "once in a while" like you said so that's why people can continue to live happily in a strict environment as long as they can privately indulge once in a while in the privacy in their own home.
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Aw you are a fun Muslim. I think I heart you. |
a/s/l? :gsmile:
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| Igaryok |
I think it's about time that some of the powerful leaders of developed countries grow some balls and begin speaking out against this bloodthirsty cult known as Islam.
I'm also sick of hearing the argument of "but it's just teh minority!!!11!1, don't judge the entire "religion" based on the actions of few."
If it's not some poor lady getting 200 lashings for being raped, or some poor bastard getting his head cut off, then it's a teacher on a verge of death row for naming some stupid teddy bear Mohammad. Where does society draw the line? |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Igaryok
I think it's about time that some of the most powerful leaders of developed countries grow some balls and begin speaking out against this bloodthirsty cult known as Islam.
I'm also sick of hearing the argument of "but it's just teh minority!!!11!1, don't judge the entire "religion" based on the actions of few." |
So sorry that the effects of Chernobyl haven't subsided :( Maybe that's what's making you feel sick and you don't know it?
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| Igaryok |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
So sorry that the effects of Chernobyl haven't subsided :( Maybe that's what's making you feel sick and you don't know it?
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Perhaps you should ask your Muslim cronies the same question, as it seems Chernobyl had a much greater effect on them. |
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