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in Sudan? careful what you name a teddy bear... (pg. 3)
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| Dennis Hahn |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
same penalty could have happened if it happened in other more conservative Muslim nations, not just Sudan.
though gotta love BBC for getting an attention to an issue |
True but other Muslim nations aren't creating conditions for its civilians which the UN calls the worst humanitarian crisis in the world right now.... so comparing a genocidal regime to other conservative muslim nations isn't accurate or fair to the rest. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dennis Hahn
True but other Muslim nations aren't creating conditions for its civilians which the UN calls the worst humanitarian crisis in the world right now.... so comparing a genocidal regime to other conservative muslim nations isn't accurate or fair to the rest. |
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| afterhrsgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
same penalty could have happened if it happened in other more conservative Muslim nations, not just Sudan. |
not necessarily...honestly i think the fact that they put her in jail for that...a lot of that attitude I think has to to with their OWN culture overthere, doesn't mean all or many other muslim countries would take the exact same measure |
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| afterhrsgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by SniFFleS
Britain bunch of Freemasons running that place. |
LOL...Freemasons are very fishy haha...makes me think of Jack the Ripper in that Johnny Depp movie...you see masons' signs everywhere |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dennis Hahn
True but other Muslim nations aren't creating conditions for its civilians which the UN calls the worst humanitarian crisis in the world right now.... so comparing a genocidal regime to other conservative muslim nations isn't accurate or fair to the rest. |
Ah, but this incident wouldn't only happen under a genocidal regime.
There was that Saudi case a few weeks ago. There are places in Middle East where strict interpretation of Sharia law is common place, and some of the laws would make you roll your eyes
| quote: | Originally posted by afterhrsgurl
not necessarily...honestly i think the fact that they put her in jail for that...a lot of that attitude I think has to to with their OWN culture overthere, doesn't mean all or many other muslim countries would take the exact same measure |
considering how much political flak Sudan is taking right now, the penalty (mild, in comparison to maximum of what she could have got) is more of trying to appease both domestic public opinion (the woman must be punished for insulting the Prophet) and the world opinion |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Ah, but this incident wouldn't only happen under a genocidal regime.
There was that Saudi case a few weeks ago. There are places in Middle East where strict interpretation of Sharia law is common place, and some of the laws would make you roll your eyes |
I was thinking of the same case when both Dennis and you made your comments but I don't think breaking the segregation laws (Saudi case) and giving a name to an inanimate object are on the same level, so I don't think such a severe punishment would be administered for the latter. |
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| afterhrsgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
and some of the laws would make you roll your eyes |
like what?? |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
I was thinking of the same case when both Yohan and Dennis made their comments but I don't think breaking the segregation laws (Saudi case) and giving a name to an inanimate object are on the same level, so I don't think such a severe punishment would be administered for the latter. |
from western perspective, both cases are ridiculous |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
from western perspective, both cases are ridiculous |
They both may be ridiculous but that doesn't mean the "naming" case would also occur in other conservative countries! That was the point Dennis was making, and I was supporting. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
They both may be ridiculous but that doesn't mean the "naming" case would also occur in other conservative countries! That was the point Dennis was making, and I was supporting. |
now this is all speculation, but I thought anything remotely related to Prophet Mohammed is taken seriously?
this is not a political thing, because as far as I can tell, this isn't Sudan prosecuting this British woman out of spite
this isn't a cultural thing, because there isn't anything specific related to Sudanese culture
this is an Islamic religion thing (albeit conservative Islam), because it's Prophet Mohammed up for some sort of idolistic/iconoclastic thing going on here
considering how much uproar there was about the Danish cartoon guy (and didn't some Swedish cartoonist get caught up in this a few months ago?) and it wasn't just conservative Muslims going nuts about it. quite a few moderates were... mildly annoyed as well
so from what I understand is that Prophet Mohammed is taken seriously to the degree that most westerners would not understand. so at least to me, this Prophet Mohammed teddy bear incident could happen in any Muslim nation, although I hope more common sense would prevail |
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| afterhrsgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
this is an Islamic religion thing ( |
that happened in Sudan therefore i do think it has a lot do with their own extremist views overthere, not necesarily all to do with "an islamic religion thing" as a whole (as you've put it). Ppl need to stop blaming everything on Islam alone |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by afterhrsgurl
that happened in Sudan therefore i do think it has a lot do with their own extremist views overthere, not necesarily all to do with "an islamic religion thing" as a whole (as you've put it). Ppl need to stop blaming everything on Islam alone |
clearly you've never read up on Islamic fundamentalism (read up on Wahabbism and Taliban for starters)
let's make this clear. I am not blaming Islam. I am blaming conservative Muslims that take fundamentalist interpretation to things.
I also argue that this event is not a cultural thing, but has potential to occur in other places where there is strict interpretation of Islam
edit: I'm not even sure how conservative the Muslims are in Sudan, so I really shouldn't say that Sudan is full of fundamentalists |
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