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religion is so great, doo-dah doo-dah (pg. 3)
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
so why should we accept one (and its a ing big one, the biggest of all time infact) extra source of division between peoples? |
religion is a bigger divider than race? |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
yeah, like jihads and locking up galileo for saying the earth is not the center of the universe... those athiest bastards. :mad:
lol...
i'm sorry man, religion is a cess pool of stupidity, ignorance and bull. if people didn't rebel against religion, we would still be thinking the earth is flat.
ps. hitler was neither athiest nor christian. don't go there. |
so, if hitler wasn't atheist or christian, then what was he?
so, pol pot, rwanda, stalin happened because...? religion wasn't the issue there |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
religion is a bigger divider than race? |
absolutely.
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
so, pol pot, rwanda, stalin happened because...? religion wasn't the issue there |
non sequitur. none of those situations were due to atheism, or were "fought" to bring atheism to the heathens.
hitler and stalin both had stupid moustaches, should we be on the look out for future leaders with facial hair? |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by weymouth
The worst monstrosities ever committed in our history were committed by atheists but believers have their share as well. |
lol jesus ing christ... |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
The problem is with "believers" in general, not with atheists or theists in particular. People who think that their hold on truth lets them do anything they want to people who think differently.
An atheist can be a "believer" as much any Christian, e.g. a "believer" in the dictatorship of the proletariat ("Communism") as implemented under Stalin -- and many atheists (even outside the Soviet Union) were in fact "believers" in Stalin and defended him, especially in the early days. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Atheism in the Soviet Union was official policy for two reasons:
(1) Totalitarians hate the idea of "civil society," meaning institutions other than government that have a strong hold on people's emotions. The church is one such institution, and it can present an obstacle to allegiance to political leaders. So totalitarians have to either co-opt it or destroy it.
(2) Marx taught that religion was the "sigh of the oppressed" and the "opium of the people," basically a symptom of a sick society. This implies that religion will fade away once a healthy society (aka communism) comes about, since people won't be oppressed anymore and won't need the "opium" of religion to dull their pain. If people are still going to church under a nominally "communist" regime, then that implies (according to Marx's logic) that the regime isn't as perfect as it purports to be. So what do you do? Treat the "symptom" of societal sickness: kill the church. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
so, if hitler wasn't atheist or christian, then what was he?
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he was whatever he had to be to keep the facade going. one day he would say he was working in the honour of christ, by killing jews. the next day he would say all religion is the bane of human existence... and fixed this by killing jews. |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
he was whatever he had to be to keep the facade going. one day he would say he was working in the honour of christ, by killing jews. the next day he would say all religion is the bane of human existence... and fixed this by killing jews. |
the point is that hitler used christianity to justify a lot of horrible things to a lot of naive people. no such crimes have ever been committed in the name of scientific method. and let's not pretend like the vatican had nothing to do with the holocaust.
" The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press--in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years. "
" Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction, consequently all character training and religion must be derived from faith. We need believing people. "
" Belief is harder to shake than knowledge. "
" The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. "
" The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. "
- Adolph Hitler, The Speeches of Adolph Hitler 1922-1939, Vol. 1
" The main doctrine of a fanatic's creed is that his enemies are enemies of God. "
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
well if you any desire to see the end of war, racism, violence and ignorance on this planet, you have a very compelling reason to see the end of religion. that is the point of "atheist books"...
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Yes because I'm sure that if we got rid of religion then we would loose our instinctive human traits to:
*explore
*attain wealth
*expand borders
*cause harm to others (for some, not all)
*racism (for some, not all)
Yes, get rid of all religion and never again will anyone ever compete against one another for space exploration or scientific study. Nobody would want to be first anymore.
Yes, nobody would ever want to get more money. Greed would disappear and we would live happily ever after in our little communist world.
Yes, no country will ever want to claim a piece of land as their own. The borders of the world will forever be locked.
Yes, no psychopath or truly evil person will ever cause harm to another human being. Crime will disappear. Murders and homicides will cease.
Yes, no human will ever look at another human of different colour with contempt because we will all magically now see each other as equal.
Yes, religion is the true and sole cause of all of this :rolleyes: |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
for anyone wondering, THIS is why atheists like myself might sound just as zealot-like as the actual zealots. how this stuff doesn't make everybody's blood boil is beyond me :mad: |
Wait, so you're assuming that this makes religious people happy? All of them?
Not everybody is evil because of religion you know, and plenty of religious people benefit this world directly due to their faith like those who are totally selfless and go and help people in need. Ok, so they can get annoying but they do it in the name of Christ or Buddha or Mohammed or whatever.
Religion is far from perfect but I don't think branding it as a parasite for the world is correct. There's two sides to every story and the extremes on both sides are fundamentally just as bad.
I've said it before, I'll say it again:
Extremist atheism is just as bad a religious zealotry. Both sides are unwilling to see the other sides viewpoint and are too stubborn to leave a possibility for something which they cannot explain.
Why did you post this here and not in PDD?
Oh yea that's right so that you can start a flame war which inevitably benefits you and so you can post nonsense like this:
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you people clearly dont understand the difference between religious wackos and atheists. im not going to bother with you peasants :rolleyes:
i hope you all go to hell. |
Yes well done. Great argument. Have a lolly for your efforts.
ps. Read the sig bitch :toothless |
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