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Benazir Bhutto assassinated (pg. 10)
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shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Not that too many people believed the obvious bull from the Pakistani government in the first place, of course.

It interesting that people are willing to believe the obvious bull from their own government though. ;) Most people (Americans included) don't believe the bull coming from our government either. It interesting how people's skepticism and critical faculties fail when it's their own government though.
Fir3start3r
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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Colonel Mustard, in the kitchen, with the rope.......

(peeks at Clue card...)

dang. This game sucks.


*slaps MisterOpus1's hand*

No cheatin'!

The ISI already knows what you have anyways...:toothless
Krypton
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Bhutto had "proof" state rigging poll

By Simon Gardner Tue Jan 1, 3:54 AM ET

KARACHI (Reuters) - Benazir Bhutto was poised to reveal proof that Pakistan's election commission and shadowy spy agency were seeking to rig an upcoming general election the night she was assassinated, a top aide said on Tuesday.

Senator Latif Khosa, who authored a 160-page dossier with Bhutto documenting rigging tactics, said they ranged from intimidation to fake ballots, and were in some cases unwittingly funded by U.S. aid.

Bhutto had been due to give the report to two visiting U.S. lawmakers over dinner on December 27, the day she was killed in a suicide bombing.

"The state agencies are manipulating the whole process," Khosa, a top Bhutto aide and head of her Pakistan People's Party election monitoring unit, told Reuters.

"There is rigging by the ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence), the election commission and the previous government, which is still continuing to hold influence. They were on the rampage."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080101/wl_nm/pakistan_rigging_dc;_ylt=Agut301LeAEe05Owt3fo7qdn.3QA

Now, I'm questioning whether this was a government hit, instead of Al-Qaeda. Then again, how did the government get a suicide bomber?
Fir3start3r
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Originally posted by Krypton
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080101...5Owt3fo7qdn.3QA

Now, I'm questioning whether this was a government hit, instead of Al-Qaeda. Then again, how did the government get a suicide bomber?


With the ISI's connection to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda?
Did you read the ISI's history above that I linked?

I think that question will get answered pretty easy after you read it...
George Smiley
quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080101...5Owt3fo7qdn.3QA

Now, I'm questioning whether this was a government hit, instead of Al-Qaeda. Then again, how did the government get a suicide bomber?

Again, you should look up Kashmir...
Lesbianosaur
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Originally posted by George Smiley
Again, you should look up Kashmir...



Oh, pilot of the storm who leaves no trace, like thoughts inside a dream
Heed the path that led me to that place, yellow desert stream
My shangri-la beneath the summer moon, I will return again
Sure as the dust that floats high and true, when movin' through Kashmir.
Krypton
quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Again, you should look up Kashmir...


Ok, I did...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4398446.stm
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...9639C8B63&fta=y

Looks like a group called Jaish-e-Mohammed has been the principle insurgent force in Kashmir. I didn't find a single reference saying the Pakistani government sanctioned suicide attacks. It all says they are directly linked to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda...
George Smiley
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Originally posted by Krypton
Ok, I did...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4398446.stm
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...9639C8B63&fta=y

Looks like a group called Jaish-e-Mohammed has been the principle insurgent force in Kashmir. I didn't find a single reference saying the Pakistani government sanctioned suicide attacks. It all says they are directly linked to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda...

And what does "directly linked" with the Taliban and al-Qaida actually mean? That they all have long beards?

You seem to be living under the misconception that al-Qaida control every Islamist group in the world and are responsible, some way or another, for all their attacks.

Either way, whether Jaish-e-Mohammed are "linked" to al-Qaida or not, it is irrelevant to my point.

The question is whether or not governmental forces could recruit a suicide bomber, and considering the well documented involvement of the ISI in assisting Kashmiri terrorist groups (who carry out suicide bombings) the answer is clearly that they would have access to suicide bombers...
Lesbianosaur
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Originally posted by Krypton
Ok, I did...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4398446.stm
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...9639C8B63&fta=y

Looks like a group called Jaish-e-Mohammed has been the principle insurgent force in Kashmir. I didn't find a single reference saying the Pakistani government sanctioned suicide attacks. It all says they are directly linked to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda...


The Kashmir conflict predates both the Taliban and al-Qaeda...
Krypton
quote:
Originally posted by Lesbianosaur
The Kashmir conflict predates both the Taliban and al-Qaeda...


Not Jaish-e-Mohammed...

Krypton
quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
And what does "directly linked" with the Taliban and al-Qaida actually mean? That they all have long beards?

You seem to be living under the misconception that al-Qaida control every Islamist group in the world and are responsible, some way or another, for all their attacks.

Either way, whether Jaish-e-Mohammed are "linked" to al-Qaida or not, it is irrelevant to my point.

The question is whether or not governmental forces could recruit a suicide bomber, and considering the well documented involvement of the ISI in assisting Kashmiri terrorist groups (who carry out suicide bombings) the answer is clearly that they would have access to suicide bombers...


What are trying to say? That the Pakistani government hired some proxy group to carry out the assassination? It's well known the Islamists have wanted Bhutto dead for a while...
George Smiley
quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
What are trying to say? That the Pakistani government hired some proxy group to carry out the assassination? It's well known the Islamists have wanted Bhutto dead for a while...

My God you're impossible!

The point was that elements of the Pakistani regime have contact with and involvement with groups that carry out suicide bombings, and have used these groups to attack India.

You stated that as Bhutto was killed by a suicide bomb (leaving aside for the moment that she wasn't) the ONLY group responsible can be al-Qaida. That assertion is wrong
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