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'Sasha - Mongoose' Remix Contest! (pg. 3)
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| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
This, I can get on board with.
Anyone remember where that Hawtin interview that was posted on here sometime last year was from? Where he said something along the lines of the future of dance music being in people just getting cut up versions of tracks/remix parts and effectively creating their own remixes live each night? |
It was Hawtin, and I thought that was interesting. That would be awesome for some, but I hate laptop djing :p
I wouldn't mind trying my hand at remixing. Definitely would be good practice with Logic/Abletron or whatever. Wouldn't mind paying for it either, considering it's only $4. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
It would make DJ sets a lot more interesting, if everyone could easily re-arrange tracks they play to their liking. |
i don't think there's THAT many djs willing to do that or even wanting to do it. not everyone uses ableton and djing like that without ableton would IMO at least be quite impossible.
sure, i sometimes want to re-edit stuff and sometimes do (even if i'm really not that good in it and always have to use only the finished track) but if i had to re-edit every track to be able to play them, i wouldn't bother. that's why i dj and don't produce.
what "ableton djs" (should) do is IMO more live production than djing. nothing wrong with that, but IMO they're very different. |
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| Blake_Jarrell |
| quote: | Originally posted by skip
i don't think there's THAT many djs willing to do that or even wanting to do it. not everyone uses ableton and djing like that without ableton would IMO at least be quite impossible.
sure, i sometimes want to re-edit stuff and sometimes do (even if i'm really not that good in it and always have to use only the finished track) but if i had to re-edit every track to be able to play them, i wouldn't bother. that's why i dj and don't produce.
what "ableton djs" (should) do is IMO more live production than djing. nothing wrong with that, but IMO they're very different. |
i think the point were getting at is to still release the present form dj friendly tracks in addition to this new "stems" idea.
i dont see how giving people more flexibility or options in how they approach djing, selecting their tracks, editing, remixing, production, etc. is a bad idea.
i think there is a strong enough existing market for this type of idea...every remix contest that comes out alot of people download the parts, even if they arent free. i just dropped $16 for the wav stems of mongoose and feel i totally got my moneys worth...
heres how i see its appeal:
1. DJs who want more flexibility in editing their tracks
2. DJs who use ableton
3. Producers who want to analyze other producers tracks |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I got an email about this from Beatport, and there are two links at the bottom: "Download premium stems" and "download free stems", so it looks like you can get them for free. |
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| Blake_Jarrell |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I got an email about this from Beatport, and there are two links at the bottom: "Download premium stems" and "download free stems", so it looks like you can get them for free. |
premium = wav i think
and maybe the free mp3s are just small parts? not the whole stems? |
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| skip |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell
i think the point were getting at is to still release the present form dj friendly tracks in addition to this new "stems" idea.
i dont see how giving people more flexibility or options in how they approach djing, selecting their tracks, editing, remixing, production, etc. is a bad idea.
i think there is a strong enough existing market for this type of idea...every remix contest that comes out alot of people download the parts, even if they arent free. i just dropped $16 for the wav stems of mongoose and feel i totally got my moneys worth...
heres how i see its appeal:
1. DJs who want more flexibility in editing their tracks
2. DJs who use ableton
3. Producers who want to analyze other producers tracks |
yeah, that's not necessarily a bad thing, especially if people really know what to do with the parts. but still i don't know if it has much to do with djing at all.
i just don't like it when djing is taken more and more towards producing as IMO they are quite separate even though you can't dj if no one produces music for you to play and if you produce music, but no one plays it, it's not really doing its job.
anyway, i have no idea why i'm rambling about this because i know it's a can of worms as most people don't agree with me altho i personally have nothing against ableton, it's just that IMO it's not really djing, but rather live production or something along those lines. :) |
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| plaxx |
| I wonder how much Sasha is paying Beatport to whore him all over the website -- look at the Top 20 :wtf: |
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| m1kest4r |
| I'm with Blake Jarrell on this one. I would absolutely love to see this happening for lots of songs. Plenty of times I would like to do edits on songs to slightly change things. |
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| Alex |
Nah, this whole "getting all the parts from songs" business is cool under rare circumstances, but it would turn dance music upside down and make for really awful combinations of stuff if it were to become a trend. Too many people would pop open ableton and be like "look what I can do, look what I can do".
I think it's cool when people take parts from ENTIRE tracks and do with them what they will. That takes more editing skill in my opinion, of course it's entirely unrealistic for the majority of songs, but that's the fun bit, finding a good song to make use of.
Also it would be a huge insult to a lot of producers out there that worked hard on the ENTIRE track only to have people buy (and no doubt pirate) the 1 or 2 parts they like and then "make it better" as some people have mentioned in this thread. |
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| Blake_Jarrell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Nah, this whole "getting all the parts from songs" business is cool under rare circumstances, but it would turn dance music upside down and make for really awful combinations of stuff if it were to become a trend. Too many people would pop open ableton and be like "look what I can do, look what I can do". |
Im not sure if you are talking about in the DJing sense or in the Production sense, but either way, people are doing that already. People make awful combinations of stuff all the time and it either never gets signed to a label, never bought, or never played out live. If someone is playing out live with Ableton in a horrible way, then they dont keep the dance floor, dont gain a following, and dont get booked again. I understand that you may think this potential renaissance in the is going to flood the market, but i think its quite the contrary. If anything it could either fail miserably, set a completely new standard for DJing, make sets more unique from DJ to DJ, or just help change more people's negative perception toward Ableton use in a live situation. Any which way, I dont think it could really hurt the EDM scene.
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
I think it's cool when people take parts from ENTIRE tracks and do with them what they will. That takes more editing skill in my opinion, of course it's entirely unrealistic for the majority of songs, but that's the fun bit, finding a good song to make use of. |
I can see your argument here, it is nice to challenge yourself sometimes. But then again, alot of producers could really come up with something spectacular if they had the real parts. Both good and bad producers (subjective of course) would both have more tools to work with and more possibilities for choosing a project, it doesnt mean more bad music, it just means more music in general.
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Also it would be a huge insult to a lot of producers out there that worked hard on the ENTIRE track only to have people buy (and no doubt pirate) the 1 or 2 parts they like and then "make it better" as some people have mentioned in this thread. |
A producer with that mentality would have the choice of exposing his work to the paradigm shift. Just dont sign with a label that will release it that way, negotiate your contract as such, or start your own label and make your own rules like most producers are doing nowadays any way.
I see your points, and they are valid. I just think at the end of the day our opinions dont matter, its our buying trends in records, merchandise, and event tickets that influence the EDM market. If labels/producers see that this could be a successful thing: releasing Stems without any additional overhead cost or reasonable risk, they are going to go ahead with it regardless. My entire point is that I dont think that is nessecarily a bad thing, and we as both consumers and artists shouldnt be so resistant to a change that could either A) burn out and not really do any damage or B) turn into a wonderful thing. |
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| Fearless One |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Cool...i'll buy that , I need material to use. I don't quite care about the contest but I'm interested in ing with the track to make a better version. |
good luck :gsmile: |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I got an email about this from Beatport, and there are two links at the bottom: "Download premium stems" and "download free stems", so it looks like you can get them for free. |
The free stems are just two parts - the kick/snare and the main lead.
To get all the other parts, you have to pay for them in the premium stems |
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