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'Sasha - Mongoose' Remix Contest! (pg. 4)
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| Sean Walsh |
| Gonna give this one a stab -- love the original. Not sure what direction to take it though, we'll see. |
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| darin epsilon |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
This, I can get on board with.
Anyone remember where that Hawtin interview that was posted on here sometime last year was from? Where he said something along the lines of the future of dance music being in people just getting cut up versions of tracks/remix parts and effectively creating their own remixes live each night?
Yeah - that would be awesome. 
Edit: It might not even have been Hawtin... I just remember reading something along those lines last year, but whomever it was also said they thought it was still a few years out (as far as these kinds of things being available to the general public in concert with software and controllers that are more streamlined). |
If Beatport is smart, this is exactly what they should do. Just an additional way for producers to generate some profits. They already kind of do this with accapellas, but there's so many more possibilities. |
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| darin epsilon |
Hmmm this yields an interesting debate on the whole selling of individual parts idea. What if a producer were to take another producer's sample and mangle it beyond recognition? Is this considered an original idea or piece of work? How does the industry monitor this sort of borrowing of ideas without running into copyright infringement after copyright infringement?
And how would it help the industry in the long run if we breed a new generation of DJs and producers who just throw together loops and samples from famous DJ's parts and call it a day? :conf: |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Nah, this whole "getting all the parts from songs" business is cool under rare circumstances, but it would turn dance music upside down and make for really awful combinations of stuff if it were to become a trend. Too many people would pop open ableton and be like "look what I can do, look what I can do". |
Already happens and always will, in any format. Djs went over the top with their mixing since the beginning of time.
| quote: | | I think it's cool when people take parts from ENTIRE tracks and do with them what they will. That takes more editing skill in my opinion, of course it's entirely unrealistic for the majority of songs, but that's the fun bit, finding a good song to make use of. |
So I guess you also think mixing should always involve beatmatching instead of letting Ableton do it for you. It takes more skill.
| quote: | | Also it would be a huge insult to a lot of producers out there that worked hard on the ENTIRE track only to have people buy (and no doubt pirate) the 1 or 2 parts they like and then "make it better" as some people have mentioned in this thread. |
I guess you also think all sorts of mashups, unofficial remixes, bootlegs are insults to the producers too.
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Basically I disagree with all these arguments cause I believe creativity in music should be encouraged, instead of limited to the traditional methods - which are only traditional because they were the best methods the technology allowed in the past. Now that we have better technology, let's use it!
I'd love to see bits of tracks available in sites like beatport and the likes, as long as the full tracks keep being available as well and absolutely everything isn't turned into a "dj tool". I'd expect people to go over the top crazy with it once it becomes popular, but after the death of the initial hype it'd be a great asset to all dj's that want to go creative and have the talent to do so. |
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| Blake_Jarrell |
| quote: | Originally posted by darin epsilon
Hmmm this yields an interesting debate on the whole selling of individual parts idea. What if a producer were to take another producer's sample and mangle it beyond recognition? Is this considered an original idea or piece of work? How does the industry monitor this sort of borrowing of ideas without running into copyright infringement after copyright infringement? |
Darin this happens already, and also if a producer doesnt want to take that risk, he doesnt release his music this way.
| quote: | Originally posted by darin epsilon
And how would it help the industry in the long run if we breed a new generation of DJs and producers who just throw together loops and samples from famous DJ's parts and call it a day? :conf: |
im really having a hard time understanding what you said here. we already bred 20 years worth of djs who play other peoples music, god forbid we encourage them to take it a step further and get a little creative with it. |
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| |Thrax| |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell
it was hawtin, i think its actually in his www.ableton.com interview. he took it a bit overboard with dreaming about a file type that deconstructs itself into stems and parts though...have fun developing that. |
yea, its called *.zip
No offence, it would be great to release parts of tracks, good interview IIRC.
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| Blake_Jarrell |
| quote: | Originally posted by |Thrax|
yea, its called *.zip
No offence, it would be great to release parts of tracks, good interview IIRC.
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no, he meant a compiled audio file format that is both playable and deconstructable. |
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| iammesol |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell
no, he meant a compiled audio file format that is both playable and deconstructable. |
which is impossible (or insanely large) |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by noikeee
Already happens and always will, in any format. Djs went over the top with their mixing since the beginning of time.
So I guess you also think mixing should always involve beatmatching instead of letting Ableton do it for you. It takes more skill.
I guess you also think all sorts of mashups, unofficial remixes, bootlegs are insults to the producers too.
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Basically I disagree with all these arguments cause I believe creativity in music should be encouraged, instead of limited to the traditional methods - which are only traditional because they were the best methods the technology allowed in the past. Now that we have better technology, let's use it!
I'd love to see bits of tracks available in sites like beatport and the likes, as long as the full tracks keep being available as well and absolutely everything isn't turned into a "dj tool". I'd expect people to go over the top crazy with it once it becomes popular, but after the death of the initial hype it'd be a great asset to all dj's that want to go creative and have the talent to do so. |
Where did I say I thought using ableton took less skill than using TTs/CDjs?
I use Ableton to mix!
I just don't see why people can't go and purchase sample packs/hard synths/soft synths/etc and make their own samples to use? To me anyway (and this is all just an opinion) it's more fun this way.
In my opinion most mashups are complete and very very rarely does it ever sound all that great to me, I don't use Ableton to mix 10 tracks together at once. I use it to combine samples I out with my VSTs with existing tracks for a sort of "live edit" kind of thing.
IE: Some wacky effects on a white noise pattern during a build up, throwing down a really basic drum-cymbal kit during a breakdown to "liven it up" (imo) and using downlifters and uplifters and "explosion" effects to make mixing more interesting sometimes.
Of course I'm not good enough yet to do that kind of stuff SUPER well and have it sound good EVERY time, in fact more often than not I am VERY dissapointed with the result but keep trying different stuff regardless.
Not to say my way or the highway though, to each his own of course. I have used "DJ Tools" before so I'd be a hypocrite to say that I NEVER do stuff like that, but for the most part I enjoy the challenge of taking an existing tune and removing/effecting the parts I want and using an entire chunk of it as a tool and not just having it handed to me on a silver platter.
But at the same time maybe I'm just making work for myself for no reason? I don't know, it's just how I feel about the whole thing.
The fact that the samples ARE NOT readily available, makes the sampling/live editing/re-editing thing that much more interesting. (To me anyway) |
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| dxsire |
| I dont know if Hawtin really was that overboard. I'm sure that it would be possible to create a filetype that melds all into one song when opened with a certain software or when played or whatever but then the different tracks in the song could be identified or split or something. what is needed is a pioneer into this vision. If there could be a company that would (bad sounding word, but go with it) monopolize the market, and their program/file type became the standard, it could happen. Yea maybe not soon, but I don't feel that this would be impossible. |
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| iammesol |
| Maybe once the purists that love vinyl (or the real tarts that love CDs :p ) run out we'll see this file type emerge. I think it's a real possibility, especially in the future where programs like Live run the market. |
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| dxsire |
This turned into a really interesting "debate". I think it would encourage creativity. Yea maybe you'd hear some really bad stuff, but that's always going to be around. Bad music will always exist ahah. But this could be a whole new thing. Spinning tracks, mixing in parts, we could essentially perform songs the way we feel is most appealing. If the crowd responds well to a certain rendition of the track, we could change the tracks "atmposphere" and such.
I think it would put a whole new dimension into live shows. To me, it's the future. |
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