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| UneeK |
I'm a huge sasha, digweed and cox fan and I think sasha and digweed are both in very good form the past year or 2.
Back in 2000, they played progressive house that was very deep and dark, which is still my first love. Lawler played the same with some tribal. Cox played banging techno which was amazing.
Progressive house and techno sound very good on a system but the same can't be said for the minimal/tech that is being played now. I didn't go out for a while during thw transition from prog/techno to minimal and felt the same way ninja did. But once I heard this new sound on a big system, I was hooked again. Its weird, but this new wave of music is not meant to be listened to at home, yet it is not the 135 bpm hard pumping music it was back in the days either.
It really is evolution of music. I don't know if I could have taken that much hard techno a la mauro picotto, chris liebing, carl cox, sven, for allll these years. These dj's played such hard and fast music for so long, I guess slowing it down for a bit for a while really makes sense for them. When minimal first started coming out like 2 years ago I thought it was veerry slow, recwntly its getting harder and faster gradually....before u know it, we'll be back in 2000. It comes and goes in cycles. There was nothing original happening in prog and techno for a while so something new, and fresh came about. That's what dj'ing is no? Being fresh? New? Original?
Truth is I really miss hard banging techno and deep and dark progressive, but I might catch myself saying the same thing about minimal one day. |
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| Alex |
Digweed is still on form imo.
Sasha in the passed 6 or so months has become terrible. |
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| zeKsg |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Digweed is still on form imo.
Sasha in the passed 6 or so months has become terrible. |
Damn right Digweed is on, I just hope he comes to Canada within the next year))) |
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| ninjahola |
Diggers does not suck now, nor has he ever. I'm not a fan of his transition mixes but live, he's a monster still...That being said i'm as anxious as ever to see him live! I remember when diggers played stereo like 5 years ago and he had cameras in his mixer, that were broadcasting images of him intensely mixing on huge screens!! Diggers has a certain persona, he's one of the only djs that has such a stage presence. He far from sucks, but his transition mixes are ting the bed these days imo. Yes i agree that music evolves, I just didn't think it needed evolving. I think what uneek says is very interesting. Its similar to what happened in the late 90's, the acidy style left the scene, and more proggy synthy techy sounds started reigning...Which at first sounded stupid but evolved into really good stuff that eventually started electro as we know it today...Perhaps minimal will bring a whole new style of sound with it. For now i'm not a fan at all, but being exposed to it more and more is opening my eyes slightly. I'm very open minded when it comes to edm. I have always loved all driving syles of it. But I as of yet haven't been able to wrap my head around the bleep and static that is minimalesque in nature. As for djs getting older, I don't beleive its an excuse. Maybe their styles are evolving but I don't think age has anything to do with it. I think partygoers are evolving and the djs are just following suit. Which is life I suppose, but wouldn't that be considered selling out a bit? I don't know, but it is interesting to read all your comments some very cool arguments.
-ninj |
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| zeKsg |
| Out of the 2 transition mixes by Digweed, that I have listened to, one was pretty good, another one was average. His live sets are just way way better tho. |
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| Mitsutranza |
everytime i start to talk about sasha and digweed and sander and lawler and all these prog-tribalish-vocal-full-older-generation DJs i begin to yawn. That might be the reason why i think they seem to be falling off, sure digweed and sasha probably threw a huge and good party at pepsi forum but it's the same old story over and over and over and over.. it's getting tiring. Their age might not be affecting their jobs (which i think it is by the way) but the expansion of e.d.m. limits is because they're keeping it safe in their bubble because they've got the names and the experience while the others like younger DJs or local DJs or DJs who are not happy with the mundane bubble-support of international fame (a.k.a. James Holden) try to go for the fresh and try to test the limits of e.d.m.
Diggers and Sasha and all those other guys like Cox and whoever else can still throw a good party but if you don't go to it you won't be missing much because you won't be missing something you haven't experienced from the same DJ a few years ago. Different tracks but same pattern. Time to move on yeah?
This is why their mixes or prods are mediocre-to-bad (like Digweed's transitions and the abominable new productions from Sasha)
And that is my opinion on this matter. |
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| zeKsg |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mitsutranza
everytime i start to talk about sasha and digweed and sander and lawler and all these prog-tribalish-vocal-full-older-generation DJs i begin to yawn. That might be the reason why i think they seem to be falling off, sure digweed and sasha probably threw a huge and good party at pepsi forum but it's the same old story over and over and over and over.. it's getting tiring. Their age might not be affecting their jobs (which i think it is by the way) but the expansion of e.d.m. limits is because they're keeping it safe in their bubble because they've got the names and the experience while the others like younger DJs or local DJs or DJs who are not happy with the mundane bubble-support of international fame (a.k.a. James Holden) try to go for the fresh and try to test the limits of e.d.m.
Diggers and Sasha and all those other guys like Cox and whoever else can still throw a good party but if you don't go to it you won't be missing much because you won't be missing something you haven't experienced from the same DJ a few years ago. Different tracks but same pattern. Time to move on yeah?
This is why their mixes or prods are mediocre-to-bad (like Digweed's transitions and the abominable new productions from Sasha)
And that is my opinion on this matter. |
Your looking at this from a side of a hardcore EDM'er. Some of us are just getting into the amazing sound of S&D and Lawler:P |
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| Sean Walsh |
| quote: | Originally posted by zeKsg
Your looking at this from a side of a hardcore EDM'er. Some of us are just getting into the amazing sound of S&D and Lawler:P |
You actually bring up a really good point.
I went to my first rave literally 10 years ago and have been hooked since. The style of stuff I like has changed dramatically (I remember being into NuNRG and HardHouse for a while, ughhhhhh) in the past ten years, but for me what has always stood out wasn't how "cutting-edge" a DJ was, but how he played for the crowd and how much he rocked the party.
What Mitsu says is pretty true, in that often times the recording you're listening to at home sounds tired and bland compared to being there live soaked in the atmosphere. I can see why if you never go to see the big guys live, you'd be fairly unimpressed with what they're doing. That said, I'd argue that the same is often true in reverse; sometimes the best sets to listen to at home just don't cut it live and will result in a low-energy night with the majority of people not appreciating it. I have no problem whatsoever with a DJ just dropping the big tracks one after another; yeah it's not particularly innovative, but if it's the best way of rocking the party, who cares? Let's not forget that the bulk of partygoers are just drugged out noobs that have no clue what the DJ is doing in the first place =P |
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| Alex |
If you actually listened to some of these guys sets Nick, and didn't just yawn while talking about them, I think you'd be surprised as to some of the bomb ass they are playing.
I've always found Lawler super boring and lame, but I'm beginning to like him a lot more recently, he's been playing some pretty cool stuff. His prods are lack-luster but ya, his sets have been good in my opinion.
Also I find it odd that your tastes have transformed so drastically, so drastically in fact that from what I hear you haven't gone out to any parties that aren't thrown or played by Haki/Moe in the passed few months, yet in your post you are talking as though you've been adamant about listening to sets from these guys which I find odd because neither Sasha, nor Digweed, nor Lawler or even Carl Cox have really played any progressive house in the passed year or so, and certainly none of them have played "Tribalish" in that time frame either.
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However, I agree with what you said about the whole thing getting a bit tiring. In the case of Sasha, I agree completely. He's either done, or he needs a break, a LONG break.
Lawler however has been playing rather well and for me to say that, I think reflects on a change of style in him.
Digweed's pattern has yet to change, you're right, so on the one hand it's lame half-knowing what he will do when he shows up to a gig, but on the other, and this is another point you touched, these young and talented DJs are very often hit or miss. Whereas everyone knows that if it's Digweed behind the decks, there will be some fresh played, as well as some dope mixing and a full on rager of a party going on.
Carl Cox I don't follow, so I can't say anything regarding what he's been up to.
It's a shame that you've forsaken some of your old favorites to the "dull and boring" pile, but at the same time, I can tell you're probably more passionate about the music than ever and have just chosen new vessels and new means (IE: the underdog lads) to invest your time and energy into, which is cool me thinks. |
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| Mitsutranza |
| quote: | Originally posted by zeKsg
Your looking at this from a side of a hardcore EDM'er. Some of us are just getting into the amazing sound of S&D and Lawler:P |
That's a very good reminder. You're completely right and what I say to you is really enjoy them to the fullest because they're still good at what they do and soon enough they will retire.
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
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What you say is very true Alex. My previous post is really my own experience of the whole scene and my history with it. I remember sometime a year ago I was having a lengthy discussion with Greg on these forums and he couldn't believe that I was getting bored and tired of going to these parties every weekend. After some time and after I've been to a couple of parties where I've seen it all before i started getting the attitude that is still in me: "I've been there, I've done that" which basically translates into me getting out of the scene. There are only a handful of DJs that would make me go out and party full out again, the ones I like to call "special" because they stand out from the rest.
It's true I don't listen to S&D, Lawler, Cox etc. as much as I used to but here and there I hear from people or I hear a part of a mix or a track that Lawler spins in his sets or whatever that remind me why I don't listen to them anymore. Still, perhaps I shouldn't talk as if I'm such a big follower of their current sound, coz i'm really not.
Haki and Moe are among my closest friends in Montreal and i'd probably be out of the scene completely if it weren't for them. Now I'm in the scene to an extent, and like you said I'm starting to invest my energy into something that will translate later to bigger things for me. I never wanted to be a DJ or a producer, that's also why i'm not that into it. Another reason is that I completely stopped with the drugs, that's a big factor for sure.
The days of partying for the sake of partying are over but there will still be some DJs that will make me go like " i think i'm gonna check him out" and just have some fun, Villalobos is an option, Burridge i'm probably going to, Creator and Maus are locals i want to check out more often etc.
And that's that I guess. |
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| ninjahola |
ninjas...
I'd love to see hakisak and moe!:D |
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| Mitsutranza |
| You coming to Montreal any time soon bro? |
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